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[Forsaken angel24]

Yeah sorry man. I meant to say the cocking mechanism,pull rod what ever the thing in the back is. Ill go edit that.

[Crappy Nerfer]

Okay, now I understand. Anyway, is there anything else you did to the gun? Is it hard to pull back the Plunger Rod? Because I did basically the same mods on my Nitefinder EX-3 and used this weird-high-powered-bungee-thing on it and I can barely pull the Plunger Rod back with it on and I only get about 50 feet flat.

[Forsaken angel24]

I had the same problem with my old nightfinder. The bungee I was using was so powerful it had broken the plunger head. Be careful with bungees you will notice some stress marks (white lines forming where the plastic is bending/about to break) around the orange ring where you tied them too. The slingshot replacement band was only$ 3.20 at Walmart. I am using stefans with a 3/0 fishing weight. The thing I hated about the bungee was the gross ammount of recoil. This replacement band still has some but not nearly the same amount. The key here I think is the airtightness and the band.

[Crappy Nerfer]

I had the same problem with my old nightfinder. The bungee I was using was so powerful it had broken the plunger head. Be careful with bungees you will notice some stress marks (white lines forming where the plastic is bending/about to break) around the orange ring where you tied them too. The slingshot replacement band was only$ 3.20 at Walmart. I am using stefans with a 3/0 fishing weight. The thing I hated about the bungee was the gross ammount of recoil. This replacement band still has some but not nearly the same amount. The key here I think is the airtightness and the band.

Okay, thanks. Yeah, there are white marks where the Plastic part of the Bungee hooks on the Plunger Rod. And it seems the Plunger Rod is going to the right slightly. I use 1/2" wide by 1.5" long asshole Darts weighted with 3/0 Splitshot Fishing Weights. Oh yeah, the Barrel is 1/2" wide by 4" long CPVC. Thanks, for the Information, again.

[duce]

with those bands on it 100' is possible.

I added bands to mine until the catch could no longer hold, fired and only got around 70'. No way you get 100'.

[Forsaken angel24]

I added bands to mine until the catch could no longer hold, fired and only got around 70'.  No way you get 100'.

Did you also add e-tape under the O-ring, add an extra O-ring stretch the spring, use the same kind of tubing I used, add more lubricant, add a dome of epoxy on the top of the plunger head, are you over 6'0 tall, Is your NF airtight,are you using 3/0 stefans, are you using the same brand of FBR, are you using 9/16" brass? if not then shut the fuck up.

If you do everything like I did and still dont get the same ranges then ask me for help. If it still doesnt work, then and only then may you call me a liar. In the mean time you guys are just pesimistic people who hate their lives and think "well if I couldn't do it, it cant be done"

This is the last time I am going to argue this. Clearly duce you can see that there is more at work here than the bands.

EDIT: I know what my gun can reach. I also remember Piney talking on one thread about how boltsnipers NF could reach over 100'.

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 18 December 2005 - 07:00 PM.

[NerfMonkey]

Meh, I've done all those mods you described, only I didn't use epoxy on the plungerhead, I used a beefy screw to keep it from popping off. That doesn't increase range anyway, just increases the durability of the plungerhead. Being 5' tall myself, having fired my NF with all the mods you described except having used CPVC instead of brass and about twenty-five rubber bands on my gun instead of one slingshot band and firing it flat, using a 1/2", 1.5" micro Stefan weighted with a 1/4" slingshot ball, I got about 70'. I had my 6'2" brother fire it too and it got, guess what! 70' flat! Being taller doesn't affect your ranges by more than about two feet, if that. Please, next time you try to give exact ranges, use a measuring tape, you'd be surprised at the difference. Your steps aren't a perfectly accurate way of measuring and NFs do not get 100' flat, and don't claim that using CPVC or brass will make a 30' difference or that the difference between twenty-five rubber bands and a slinshot band will make the 30' difference in ranges. Neither will the tiny difference in weight (if any) between a 3/0 and a slingshot ball.

I don't hate my life either; quite the opposite, in fact. I've got three pets and a family that cares about me. I go to school and get good grades and am quite content with my life. My doubting your ranges doesn't make me a pessimist. If anyone is it's you because you've lashed out at three people now: NinjZ, crackshot and duce. If you'd like to gain respect back, remeasure your ranges with a tape measure and post them, your gun doesn't get 100'.

Edited by NerfMonkey, 18 December 2005 - 06:46 PM.

[Forsaken angel24]

All I am saying nerf monkey is that there are lots of variables at work here.

I am glad to hear you have a loving family and pets and good grades and blah,blah,blah.

Either way you didn't mention your gun being airtight. I beleive this will help. I dont bleieve it gets me 30 extra feet but it helps. I will range test again. If my ranges come back In the late 90's again then I welcome any local ontarionian nerfer to meet me at the local park where they shall soon become a beleiver.

[Forsaken angel24]

I did not wish to double post but I had too. I took the gun out for another range test this evening and was as many of you would expect, let down. I modded this gun about a month ago when the weather was still warm and there was no snow on the ground. I had just modded it when I took it out for a range test and that is when I get those numbers. My results now however were 73' 69' and 80'. Best angeled dart got 123'. Now I am sure a good portion of you are leaning back in your chair with your arms crossed thinking "Yes I won".

I have however 3 variables since my last range test.

1. The band then was freshly put on and didn't have a month of constant stretch on it.
I beleive the band has become weaker because of this.

2. I do not know if this is true but a friend of mine who is very hardcore into golfing
tells me that in cold air projectiles dont go as far. It was freezing today and when
I did the original range test It was sunny and fairly warm.

3. After a spring is stretched it gives the gun more power. However after constant
pressure and being forced back into the casing the spring will in turn revert back
into or close to its old length. After a month of constant self condensing the spring
has come close or has gone back to its old length.

These three variables are leaning towards my side that the gun had even more power at one point. These ranges were measured in the same style as the ranges from the beginning.

I did not want to be an asshole or anything about the ranges it's just like this. If I am looking to the sky and I see blue and everyone around me tells me it's red and I have to be stupid because I dont see red or I must be smoking something because I dont see red then I will argue it to the death. Integrity is something I hold very dearly.

Edited by Forsaken_angel24, 19 December 2005 - 12:03 AM.

[Meaker VI]

2. I do not know if this is true but a friend of mine who is very hardcore into golfing 
    tells me that in cold air projectiles dont go as far. It was freezing today and when
    I did the original range test It was sunny and fairly warm.

I think I learned about something like that in chemistry, for water at any rate. There is more oxegen in colder water than warmer water, just like your pop will keep from being flat longer if you keep it colder. I'd imagine there is some effect in the cold air, since gasses condense at colder temperatures you would probably be firing through "thicker" air. Don't know how much that would affect your ranges, but I'd accept that and 3 months wear.

I've also noticed this trend to blast people for saying they get certain ranges, and I'm not sure I understand why all the time. If you can explain everything you did to get 100', and it's not something completely retarded (ala .:BlueIce:.) then I would be asking what you did and trying it, and coming back when it didn't work, not telling you you're a moron because I can't get it to work.

Edited by Meaker VI, 19 December 2005 - 01:21 PM.

[Pineapple]

I know what my gun can reach. I also remember Piney talking on one thread about how boltsnipers NF could reach over 100'.

I got brought into this debate, so here goes.

I said in this thread a few weeks back about Boltsniper's twin NFs, which were doing about 80 feet, according to his claim.

I usually don't doubt range claims, unless they are really outrageous, and yes, it is entirely possible to get a NiteFinder to shoot 100 feet occasionally, and with really good, purpose made darts.

But I always ask myself, "Is it practical?"

NFs are, for the most part, sidearms, or pistols for pistol-only matches. If it's your purpose to make a consistent-shooting 100' range NF, that's fine, but it does come at a price of increased wear and tear. Adding any more force than the original spring that was installed (in the old NFs, for example), should be what the Hasbro engineers propose for a maximum play life of the toy; hence the increase in breakage factor when you excessively modify the driving force (springs, add bands or elastic, etc.) in order to increase range.

All my NiteFinders are Crayola barreled, use stock (old style) springs, and get very consistent 50 foot ranges, give or take a few feet. This consistency allows for a pretty level play field when we do pistols only, or good as a back up when we play with other longer range weapons (AT2000s, EaB, SM5000, MaxShot, etc.)
I get almost no breakages with my NFs, and skill becomes the factor rather than raw power and 'untouchable' range. I allow my kids to shoot me with the more powerful blasters and take them on with dual NFs, so I can work out my dodging skill and use movement wisely. Getting shot at close range with an EaB or a MaxShot is good incentive not to get hit.

I think the reason for the BS call is that most of the regulars who have been modifying Nerf blasters for the better part of 3-4 years (or more) know that it is really challenging to get a spring-powered 'compact' pistol (Lock n' Load, Tech Target Pistol, NiteFinder, Maverick, Scout) to shoot into the 100 foot zone with any consistency. The Sharpshooter II is an exception, but it has a pretty generous sized plunger tube, and is much bigger than the above mentioned pistols. We can go on and on with the DT3 and some others, but we're trying to stay with the newer, smaller stuff.

All you're getting is some skepticism that you can get such great range, with a fairly new pistol (the EX-3 does have a weaker and slightly shorter main spring), by adding surgical rubber tubing and a brass barrel mod (is it 5 or 6 inches?), as well as the mentioned dual o-ring and e-tape job on the plunger.

I'm working on an EX-3 now, and am using what I can to utilize the existing setup (no bands or bungees), and the first thing I did was to swap the EX-3 spring for one out of my old NFs (consider it a sacrificial transplant...it was my brassed NF that was the donor). I'm dremeling away all possible air restrictions from plunger tube cap to the constricted PETG barrel, and some other cosmetic stuff to call it my own. But I'm banking on ranges about 50-60 feet. With great consistency. And almost no chance of breakage.

No one wants to "win". I won't speak for the rest, but even I have my moments of criticism when I hear of incredible or outrageous claims on the boards, especially here at the Haven. I just don't voice them as often as others.

Main point; if you're happy with your EX-3, then no worries. You can't make all the people happy all the time. I think it's just fine.

I've said it many times before...the key to this hobby is to enjoy it, not try to become the king of it. It's kept me from quitting even after almost 5 years.



-Piney-

[davenelz]

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Edited by davenelz, 05 July 2014 - 05:56 PM.

[pinhead52]

QUOTE (Forsaken_angel24 @ Dec 18 2005, 08:59 PM)
2. I do not know if this is true but a friend of mine who is very hardcore into golfing 
    tells me that in cold air projectiles dont go as far. It was freezing today and when
    I did the original range test It was sunny and fairly warm.


I think I learned about something like that in chemistry, for water at any rate. There is more oxegen in colder water than warmer water, just like your pop will keep from being flat longer if you keep it colder. I'd imagine there is some effect in the cold air, since gasses condense at colder temperatures you would probably be firing through "thicker" air. Don't know how much that would affect your ranges, but I'd accept that and 3 months wear.

I've also noticed this trend to blast people for saying they get certain ranges, and I'm not sure I understand why all the time. If you can explain everything you did to get 100', and it's not something completely retarded (ala .:BlueIce:.) then I would be asking what you did and trying it, and coming back when it didn't work, not telling you you're a moron because I can't get it to work.

Hah, finally I get to talk about something I actually know about. And this one is so simple that it won't sound like I'm talking down to everyone. Alright, air resistance is more or less a projectile hitting air particles as it flies (or falls, or whatever). When a gas is colder, it is denser, i.e. more particles in any given volume. So yes, there is more air resistance in cold air. Your theory is scientifically sound.

[Forsaken angel24]

Thank you pinhead. I wanted a second opinion on that and now I am more comfortable knowing that.

Dave your LNL looks great except for where it gets sloppy around the top of the white. The Eab doesnt look too great but thats just me. Either way good job. Oh and next time just make your own thread on your paintjobs instead of bashing mine and posting yours. The surgical tubing is for function over fashion. When my Nite-finder walks down the cat-walk she always takes the tubing off first.

[NinjZ]

Dave your LNL looks great except for where it gets sloppy around the top of the white.

Agreed. Pretty clean mods and great colour scheme, just needs to be cleaned up.