Jump to content


Photo

4b - The Bacon Bow (semi-automatic Bbb)

Another reason to buy the reissue!

47 replies to this topic

#1 PissBacon

PissBacon

    Member

  • Members
  • 189 posts

Posted 13 October 2005 - 02:19 AM

Posted Image
Click This For Fullsize

Here's my take on the reissue of the big bad bow. Unfortunately, I haven't had access to a decent digital camera for a while, but I promise to have good photos up very soon. If there is enough interest I will bother to create a writeup. Flat grey paintjob by the way (if you can't bear the photos).


The Breech
Posted Image
The breech is simply 17/32" brass within a special cut piece of 9/16" brass. The beauty of this breech is that it does not waste barrel lineage, as the breech slides back over the dart, creating an excellent, clean seal (which requires no shell). It's lubricated with silicon (silicone? wish I understood the difference) lubricant to ensure smooth loading. I may as well mention the barrel briefly now. After browsing for a recommended barrel type for the bbb, I ran into cxwq's suggestion, and stuck with it: 2" of 17/32" at the start nested in 6" of 9/16", all inside of 10" of 19/32". My setup gives the effect of these measurements, though not built quite the same. The breech slider offers that first 2", the breech piece gives the 4" in its size, and then the last 4" is covered by 19/32". What you see in the photos is some sch 80 pvc to protect the fragile brass assembly. At the very beginning of the barrel, there is a piece of dental floss taught tight across the diameter of the barrel, which is crucial to the functioning of my breech system (explained later).


The Clip
Posted Image
This clip (8 dart capacity) is actually made from a normal tape/cassette case with one end dremeled off. I've had the most luck with "Scotch High Position XSII-S 100 IEC Type II" tape cases since they have the least amount of excess crap on the inside to sand down. After dremeling away at the case and adding some nice black masking tape, I ended up with a perfect clip. Since this is a gravity system, the top dart is actually filled with weights evenly inside to press down on the other darts, and is not a fireable dart. In the photo there is a rubberband over the clip to prevent the darts from rolling out of the open end. This clip can be easily made, and with some velcro, many clips can be easily carried.

The Reciever
Posted Image
I had a bit of fun making this piece, which accepts the clip. It's a cut piece of plexiglass which I then heated with a candle along certain points, and bent, to form the shape you see. I marked the bend points ahead of time in sharpie to know where to heat and form right angles. If you decide to do this, make sure you have acrylic plexiglass and not polycarbonate, since polycarbonate is not a thermal plastic (will just make a big mess if you put it to the fire).

Parts I haven't explained yet
Posted Image
Once I take good photos, I'll be sure to have some detailed internal shots. The way the breech actually works is linked to the 'trigger' half of the gun. There is a length of coathanger (use musicwire in the future) which I carefully bent in several ways, which attaches to the trigger half, and slides along one side of the plunger assembly and out through one side of the gun. This piece is then attached to the sliding breech piece on one side (out of the way of darts), therefore making the breech move when the bbb is cocked. When the two parts are pushed together, the breech opens and a dart drops in; when pulled apart, the slider slips over the dart (which is held in place by the dental floss bit previously mentioned), and is ready to be fired.

Really-need-a-new-camera Photos
Posted ImagePosted Image
Posted ImagePosted Image

Questions welcomed (I've left plenty out).

Edited by PissBacon, 13 October 2005 - 09:49 PM.

  • 0

#2 Crappy Nerfer

Crappy Nerfer

    Member

  • Banned
  • 149 posts
  • Location:Kissimmee, FL

Posted 13 October 2005 - 02:26 AM

Nice job! Eight shot clip capacity? Wow, what are the ranges? I would assume 70-80 feet, correct? Good job. Can't wait to see more pictures, and an official range test.
"If one notices a patch of gangrene in a wound on the back of one's hand, one does not simply hope that it gets better over time.

One cuts that shit off at the wrist and learns to masturbate lefty."

- Death

"By BC do you mean Boston College?"

- nerfer34

#3 SG Pilot

SG Pilot

    Member

  • Members
  • 281 posts
  • Location:Worcester, MA

Posted 13 October 2005 - 09:40 AM

So the breach thing slides back when you pull back the handle on the BBB? I'm not so firmilliar with all of the different parts of the nerf guns, but I tink I get the idea. Wouldn't it be more bolt-action than semi-auto?

Other than these n00b questions I ask, sweet work there! :D
  • 0
QUOTE(VACC @ Oct 9 2009, 04:45 AM) View Post

I know, I HATE toy guns that are made for little kids!


#4 baghead

baghead

    Cheetos

  • Members
  • 1,366 posts
  • Location:SoCal
  • State:California
  • Country:United States
  • Mad Artisan Labs on Youtube

Posted 13 October 2005 - 11:20 AM

Dude, That's just sick... I love it!
  • 0

Don't call it a comeback, I never left.


#5 darkmills

darkmills

    Member

  • Members
  • 74 posts

Posted 13 October 2005 - 11:42 AM

I didn't quite follow that entirely. I would like to try that though, so could you like give me a list of parts and tools? I would realy like that.

By the way, how all does it work? You open the breech, let a dart fall in, close the breech and fire? Or what?
  • 0
I'M THE MAJORITY OF THE MINORITY FOLKS!!!

#6 boltsniper

boltsniper

    Member

  • Contributors
  • 591 posts

Posted 13 October 2005 - 12:18 PM

That's pretty damn bad ass dude! You definitely need to get some better pics up and even possibly some videos of the mechanism working.

Very impressive.
  • 0

#7 Illadar

Illadar

    Member

  • Members
  • 131 posts

Posted 13 October 2005 - 01:54 PM

I'm just going to do my part to try to help clarify the action for BBBs. You cock the BBB by drawing back on the rear handel, both the plunger shaft and the rear part of the gun have latched, now when you pull the trigger the gun fires, but you have to push the rear handle forward by your self. I guessing that a new dart is loaded when you push the handle forward.
  • 0

#8 Suave

Suave

    Member

  • Members
  • 186 posts
  • Location:Anniston, Alabama

Posted 13 October 2005 - 04:12 PM

Yeah when you push the handle forward to prepare to cock the weapon again, the breech automatically opens and a dart falls in(gravity). Then when you cock the gun it closes the breech and you're locked and loaded.


Great mod, dude. How sturdy is it?

Edited by Suave, 13 October 2005 - 04:12 PM.

  • 0

#9 NerfLad78

NerfLad78

    Member

  • Members
  • 263 posts

Posted 13 October 2005 - 04:16 PM

Dude... Potatoes....

That gun's like, unholy...

Must... Go.. To... TRU...

::Twitches::
  • 0

#10 ssgtsiler

ssgtsiler

    Member

  • Members
  • 98 posts
  • Location:New Hampshire

Posted 13 October 2005 - 05:18 PM

Yeah, I tried this tape cassate thing, which was a great idea. However, I needed a magazine spring, a better seal and a better breech. Good Job on this mod, I likith!
  • 0
"War isn't about who's right, it's about who's left"

#11 Ronster

Ronster

    Member

  • Members
  • 528 posts
  • Location:The Alamo

Posted 13 October 2005 - 08:55 PM

One word man,
SWEET!
  • 0
-I Nerf, there for I am.

QUOTE(baghead @ Oct 25 2006, 09:55 AM) View Post
Ronster reminded me that I should have warned you all Prepare your Bladder for Imminent Release!!!!

#12 PissBacon

PissBacon

    Member

  • Members
  • 189 posts

Posted 13 October 2005 - 09:57 PM

I've updated the first photo of the 4b to be a bit clearer. Lately I'm very busy with highschool, and my computer's crapping out on me when I need it the most; this will be brief.

I haven't tested ranges yet, I'm letting the epoxy and epoxy putty fully cure first before firing (I've loaded darts to test the breech, but removed them manually).

What Illadar and Suave have said pretty much cover the action of the barrel if my explanation is confusing. Since the plastic parts I cut (sch 80 pvc, trimmed original barrel, reciever) fit together well, it makes for a sturdy gun with no sagging like many barrels I see.

Boltsniper, I don't know where I'd find the bandwidth/hosting for a clip of the gun in action.

When time permits, I will create a writeup, just very busy now.
  • 0

#13 darkmills

darkmills

    Member

  • Members
  • 74 posts

Posted 14 October 2005 - 10:07 PM

Do you think you could time the ROF for us? I'd like to hear the shots per minute.
  • 0
I'M THE MAJORITY OF THE MINORITY FOLKS!!!

#14 boltsniper

boltsniper

    Member

  • Contributors
  • 591 posts

Posted 14 October 2005 - 10:30 PM

Boltsniper, I don't know where I'd find the bandwidth/hosting for a clip of the gun in action.

When time permits, I will create a writeup, just very busy now.

Rapidshare
Gigashare

Those are a couple popular free hosting sites. Up to 50 megs.
  • 0

#15 Ronster

Ronster

    Member

  • Members
  • 528 posts
  • Location:The Alamo

Posted 15 October 2005 - 10:25 AM

How do you cock the BBB?
  • 0
-I Nerf, there for I am.

QUOTE(baghead @ Oct 25 2006, 09:55 AM) View Post
Ronster reminded me that I should have warned you all Prepare your Bladder for Imminent Release!!!!

#16 Illadar

Illadar

    Member

  • Members
  • 131 posts

Posted 15 October 2005 - 10:29 AM

Oh my God, and I spent all that time typing out a detailed description of the action on the BBB.
  • 0

#17 Ronster

Ronster

    Member

  • Members
  • 528 posts
  • Location:The Alamo

Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:24 AM

Where is it? I would like to see it.
  • 0
-I Nerf, there for I am.

QUOTE(baghead @ Oct 25 2006, 09:55 AM) View Post
Ronster reminded me that I should have warned you all Prepare your Bladder for Imminent Release!!!!

#18 tenesee23

tenesee23

    Member

  • Members
  • 116 posts

Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:26 AM

So sweet. I was thinking about doing something like that to mine, because the BBB cocks so fast, the ROF should be insane. However, I suck and probably would go through 3 BBB's before I gave up.

Really nice job. I rate the Bacon Big Bad Bow- Awesome.
  • 0
Go Team FuckBuddy!

#19 Illadar

Illadar

    Member

  • Members
  • 131 posts

Posted 15 October 2005 - 11:27 AM

I'm just going to do my part to try to help clarify the action for BBBs. You cock the  BBB by drawing back on the rear handel, both the plunger shaft and the rear part of the gun have latched, now when you pull the trigger the gun fires, but you have to push the rear handle forward by your self. I guessing that a new dart is loaded when you push the handle forward.

In this very thread, it pays to read all of a thread before you start posting question about it.
  • 0

#20 murakumo32

murakumo32

    Member

  • Members
  • 419 posts

Posted 15 October 2005 - 01:42 PM

But how is the breech moved when you push the rear handle foward. I cannot comprehend it.
  • 0
QUOTE
Nerfing, now fortified with vitamin C!
-or-
100% Nerf, for 100% pwnage.

QUOTE

Nerf is a neutral weapons dealer. Anyone coughing up the dough can get armed.

QUOTE

and they're made of Foam... which makes them very Nerfy...

#21 southpaw

southpaw

    Member

  • Members
  • 143 posts

Posted 15 October 2005 - 02:52 PM

Good job. I had similar plans for the BBB (i think a few others did as well). That's a nice clip with the cassette case. Its not exactly semi-auto, but pretty close.

Now you can be like Legolas...sort of.
  • 0
Sup?

#22 MattPaintballer

MattPaintballer

    Member

  • Members
  • 369 posts
  • Location:Where the slots are plentiful, and the yards are small

Posted 15 October 2005 - 03:46 PM

Oh my God, and I spent all that time typing out a detailed description of the action on the BBB.

Quit whining, it was one freakin' sentence dude. Get over it.

Murakumo, it pushes a piece of brass over another piece of brass, thus closing the breech and creating a seal.

PissBacon, that is fucking sweet.
  • 0
"I think politicians are much more irritating than hippies."
"the56ace,
Your member account at NerfHaven has been temporarily suspended because I don't like you."
-cxwq
If ignorance is bliss, our president must be ecstatic.

#23 Illadar

Illadar

    Member

  • Members
  • 131 posts

Posted 15 October 2005 - 05:45 PM

It really was ment as jest, but it does irk me when people ask a quesition that is answered in detail 5 post up.

Oh and maybe I can count or somthing, but my real quick estemate says 3 sentences, but what the hell do I know.

Edited by Illadar, 15 October 2005 - 08:46 PM.

  • 0

#24 ambushbug

ambushbug

    Member

  • Members
  • 103 posts
  • Location:Ottawa ON

Posted 17 October 2005 - 09:33 AM

Oh and maybe I can count or somthing, but my real quick estemate says 3 sentences, but what the hell do I know.

Clearly, you can count but perhaps you should work on spelling (as per the COC).

Better yet, try not to clog up a thread by adding purely pointless sarcasm. Your earlier post (describing the cocking action etc) was useful. The following one wasn't.
  • 0

#25 Falcon

Falcon

    Velcro'd Beanpole

  • Members
  • 1,375 posts
  • Location:Glendora, CA

Posted 17 October 2005 - 10:10 AM

That is the most badass BBB I have ever seen. Looks like you spent quite a bit thinking about this. Even just the paintjob is freaking schweet. It looks like it's pretty much identical to an Eagle Eye. I hope it works out for you. I'd really like to see it working in a war setting sometime, but you're probably way too far away from So-Cal...
  • 0
----------||||||||)
QUOTE(Ilývatar @ 0000) View Post
Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together a Great Music.


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users