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[SG Pilot]

Well, my RF20 is all screwed up. It seems to have trouble rotating the turret and stuff. I thought of an interesting idea where I could use the guts of the RF20 and make a new type of Sub-Machine gun styled one. It'd have one barrel that is fed ammo by a clip that sits on top of the gun. The air-powered rapid fire mechanism would fire each dart that falls into the barrel by gravity. I may have to add a spring or something to the clip. I don't know if this would work or not, but let me know if I'm getting anywhere.

[Team Slaya]

It would probably just have to be semi auto, or if you make the spring strong enough to push the darts fast enough. It might work... but I doubt it would be practical in any way.

TS

[murakumo32]

The problem with having a full auto gun with a clip is the seal. If you could cycle in pushing brass over the dart and then the plunger goes foward then that would work.

[flamebo388]

Very possible idea, I have thought it over many times and actually started some work on it, mainly getting the parts together. It would likely need a spring fed mag to make sure the darts got into the chamber without jamming and that would mean shells. And of course you need to eject the shells which means modifying the piston with an extractor and ejector. I figure if you really wanna do this take a long look at the far diagrams. Maybe I should try it myself. If you go for it good luck.

[SG Pilot]

I still don't get why those clip guns need shells, why do they need them? It might just be a fixed clip that you put darts into.

Edited by SG Pilot, 11 October 2005 - 10:53 AM.

[boltsniper]

Darts are not rigid. If you put them in a sprung magazine they would just squash together and surely not feed realiably or at all. You might be ablt to get away with it with a gravity feed, but even then I wouldnt trust it to feed reliably.

[Ronster]

Darts are not rigid. If you put them in a sprung magazine they would just squash together and surely not feed realiably or at all. You might be ablt to get away with it with a gravity feed, but even then I wouldnt trust it to feed reliably.

Ompa made a clip that didnt use shells and just the darts and I asked him the same question about the darts squishing together. He told me it was a very low tension spring.
So, if you used a varient of Ompa's clip then it might work.

P.S. Why would you want full automatic anyways? In order to prime it you would have to pump it like 50 times just for like 10-15 shots.

[boltsniper]

Yes, but his clip was not on an autoloading gun. A flexible dart is not gonna work to well in a fast moving action nor a weak spring in the magazine.

[The Inventor Guy]

Darts are not rigid. If you put them in a sprung magazine they would just squash together and surely not feed realiably or at all. You might be ablt to get away with it with a gravity feed, but even then I wouldnt trust it to feed reliably.

No, actually, all the magazines I've made are for cartidgless darts. The spring doesn't squash the darts at all, and it's not too much of a weak spring either.

-Tidge.

[boltsniper]

Darts are not rigid.  If you put them in a sprung magazine they would just squash together and surely not feed realiably or at all.  You might be ablt to get away with it with a gravity feed, but even then I wouldnt trust it to feed reliably.

No, actually, all the magazines I've made are for cartidgless darts. The spring doesn't squash the darts at all, and it's not too much of a weak spring either.

-Tidge.

Alright then. But I still wouldn`t trust an automatic to feed a dart reliably. So how come we`ve never seen and of these magazines of yours?

[SG Pilot]

[quote name='Ronster' date='Oct 11 2005, 02:10 PM'] [quote name='boltsniper' date='Oct 11 2005, 08:10 AM']P.S. Why would you want full automatic anyways? In order to prime it you would have to pump it like 50 times just for like 10-15 shots. [/quote]
I'm trigger trigger happy happy trigger trigger happy happy! No, that's not really the case. I would just like to have a gun like that for a rushing weapon. Plus, they're fun. Anyway, the shells make sense now, but my plan was to feed darts by gravity, but hey this is all just an idea. I've found out why my RF20 was all screwed up anyway. Thanks for the feedback on everything though. By the way, is the PC (Power Clip) more reliable than the RF20? I might look into one of those.

[The Inventor Guy]

Alright then.  But I still wouldn`t trust an automatic to feed a dart reliably.  So how come we`ve never seen and of these magazines of yours?

Eh. Out of 3, two of them collapsed because they were only held together by electrical tape, and that I've never gotten around to do anything with them. Except the auto-load dealy on my 3B. But I do agree with you. It wouldn't be reliable for an automatic feed.

-Tidge.

Edited by The Inventor Guy, 12 October 2005 - 08:15 PM.

[NerfLad78]

Or you could have a massive airtank expansion/replacement, and just use continuous airflow. The clip may double load, but that's the idea right?

[ompa]

Anything automatic I would not trust with the clip system I have. Bolt's right on this one, only something using shells would work really well, and I'll admit right off the bat I don't think I have the skill to attempt to make a clip that's able to do that.

~ompa

[Team Slaya]

You could try to create something like a razorbeast with a crank and make it spring powered, which would make it more complicated, but when it's done the priming time will be close to none.

TS

[SG Pilot]

Yeah, you guys have points on using a clip, I might just look into getting a PC since it's pretty much what my concept is.

[dyeterminatorgen]

If you want a smg that is near perfect in design why don't you check out BoltSniper's FAR. You can download the plans a homemades.[FONT=Impact][FONT=Arial]

[flamebo388]

Boltsniper's FAR is a bolt action rifle and turning automatic is impractical, not to mention it's nowhere near an smg in size. Plus this topic is quite old.