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#1 draculabakula

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 02:14 PM

I noticed some of you play with nothing meaning you play with non-nerf foam dart guns. Whats the deal? It seems to me that people on this site follow a very free set of rules as far as modding and what makes a nerf gun nerf.

As far as modding goes, for my group the nerf warriors, light modding is alright but is seldom used. You know, like stretching out the spring, taking the top off the LnL. I find that modding your weapons makes for a much different game, not to say it's not alot of fun, it just adds an aspect to the game that I personally think takes away from the true competition.

I have played with modded guns before and I quickly saw that the person with the best mod has a clear advantage over the rest of the field. (i.e. my friend bought a moddified BBB of ebay and he's pretty accurate from 60 feet away if i'm holding a modified LnL and PC there's not much I can do.

I also like that the veriety of games unmodded games brings. You can specify that everybody must single barrel pistols and it's a blast to see someone frantically running away from someone else looking for ammo on the ground.

I guess you can just say I'm a nerf purest. Also, do us all a favor and stop buying non-nerf guns. Instead of wasting your money on nothing just buy another nerf gun. We need to support nerf and keep it alive for as long as possible and if you buy a bunch of nothing thats not gonna happen. This applies to not just non-nerf guns, it applies to all nothing, like food, gasoline, postitutes. IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF NOTHING.
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#2 LastManAlive

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 02:24 PM

Wait...you lost me when your topic veered off out of control and started talking about gasoline and prostitutes. Dude, that was jsut plain.....just wow... umm, as far as I know, there are alot of non-nerf and off brand guns that roxorz your soxorz. Like the LBB, Fistshot, Max shot, Airzone bazooka and even the XXL bazooka thing that reminds me of the ultimator. All those guns are non-nerf yet they are some of the greatest guns. Yes, the LNL, NF, and Xbow are probably the most legendary guns out there. I use (or used to use) a LBB but traded it for a Titan since I can get another 2 LBBs for the price of the Titan. The Max shot jsut rocks. I don't see what you are posting about. Do you hate non-nerf or what? You talk about non-nerf, the games you can paly, haha someone is looking for ammo, and then about buying gasoline, prostitutes, and food that is nothing.

First thing is first. You got the name of your topic wrong. It should be WTF?
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 04:47 PM

I noticed some of you play with nothing meaning you play with non-nerf foam dart guns. Whats the deal? It seems to me that people on this site follow a very free set of rules as far as modding and what makes a nerf gun nerf.



I guess you can just say I'm a nerf purest. Also, do us all a favor and stop buying non-nerf guns. Instead of wasting your money on nothing just buy another nerf gun. We need to support nerf and keep it alive for as long as possible and if you buy a bunch of nothing thats not gonna happen. This applies to not just non-nerf guns, it applies to all nothing, like food, gasoline, postitutes. IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF NOTHING.

Who are you to tell us wha to buy and what not to buy? Some non-brand nerf guns are better than nerf guns like The Lanard Blast Bazooka is better than an AT2k modded. And modding and fixing guns ads to the fun of it like I just cant wait to Petg mod The DTB
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 05:45 PM

Wow.....that post was weird. If you have something against non-nerf guns just don't buy them. I personally don't care if it's nerf. If it shoots foam darts it's nerf. Who really cares about brand names? :ph34r: (thinks) Maybe he's some zombie if he doesn't care about food.) :huh:

Edited by Switchblade@JM, 24 July 2005 - 05:46 PM.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 05:51 PM

Nerf gun modification is all about making your blasters the best they can be, it opens the doors for more complex games at longer ranges.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 06:01 PM

I still can't figure out why you posted this topic here... Theres no logic, especially on a site with forums about modding where all the people *usually* participate.

When I got my nitefinder I thought it was tight, but playing nerf in the automobile garage wasn't fun when your darts didn't make it to the other side.

Everyone has something that irks them, but you're trying to pull a missionary on a village that doesn't want to be converted.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 06:03 PM

I personally like modding my guns much more then actually playing with them anyway. I still like to get out and nerf but my guns more often serve as a product of my hardwork more than a means of enjoyment themselves.

Edited by TheHaze, 24 July 2005 - 06:19 PM.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 06:15 PM

I like to go buy Entamins Chocolate Cake once and a while and eat it :ph34r:
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 06:26 PM

Well, as pretty much everyone else in this thread has said, non-Nerf guns aren't all crap. Take, for example, the Big Salvo. It is a four-shot semi-auto/full-auto gun with awesome ranges. Lanard has made some great guns and they keep getting better all the time; I'll buy whatever the hell I want!

On to your point about modding guns: I mod my guns because I like to. I like to get a gun that sucks and turn it into a hellish beast of Stefan-raining death. I'm not saying I dislike stock wars. I love them, I'm only saying that modding adds, as you said yourself, a new aspect of the game. However, I don't feel that it takes away from the competetiveness; I think it adds to it because then you can have faster paced wars and if your modded gun shoots Stefans, you don't have to worry about losing ammo, either. Take into consideration that not everyone mods their guns for longer range too. Sometimes guns are modded, like the L'nL, to be cooler or for improved accuracy, or just to shoot Stefans. For example, the Mav shoots about twenty feet flat stock. Modded it gets about twenty-five or thirty, if you're lucky. The whole point of the mod is just so you can shoot homemade ammo, not for a range increase. Also, the outcomes of wars are NOT determined by the performance of people's guns, they are determined by the skill of the player and how much time and effort they put into the hobby.

Not all non-Nerf brands are nothing, modding doesn't take away from the fun, and food rules (I can't say the same for prostitutes for lack of experience).
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 06:52 PM

I can understand where you're coming from about only having light modifications, but about non-nerf, Nerf is fine without us buying every one of their guns. We are not their main marketing target, like OMC said in another thread. When I buy a Max Shot, how is it wasted money? Just because I didn't buy the brand Nerf? Nerf is not necessarily about the company itself, but the concept. I think you're overlooking that.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 07:28 PM

I personally like modding my guns much more then actually playing with them anyway. I still like to get out and nerf but my guns more often serve as a product of my hardwork more than a means of enjoyment themselves.

Same here.
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Posted 24 July 2005 - 07:51 PM

Whats the problem with non nerf guns? The Max Shot is more powerful than anything Nerf could put out, why should we not buy it just because its the "lesser" brand? Id rather give my money to Lanard because competition always makes for a better product as a whole.

I say, give non-nerf stuff a try. Just because its something different doesn't mean its necesarily bad. Infact, many times Lanard is BETTER than nerf.
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#13 The Infinite Shindig

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 07:59 PM

Despite a valiant attempt to try to justify pure Nerf to me, I still do not agree with much of what you said. This is not to say that I consider purist Nerf inferior, it's just your argument did little to sway me.

I noticed some of you play with nothing meaning you play with non-nerf foam dart guns. Whats the deal? It seems to me that people on this site follow a very free set of rules as far as modding and what makes a nerf gun nerf.


Nerf is all about having fun man. Other companies have the right to make Nerf-like products, just like we as consumers have the right to buy them. Have I bought a Max Shot? Yes. Do I use it currently? Yes. Do I plan to in the future? No. I am ready to go back to a crossbow, but that doesn't mean that there is anything wrong with using a Maxshot. I have bought plenty of Nerf guns over the years, and I think at least trying out different options isn't a bad thing. My use of a Maxshot doesn't mean that I ceased to buy Nerf guns in that period either. I have supported the Nerf line since I was a wee lad.

As far as modding goes, for my group the nerf warriors, light modding is alright but is seldom used. You know, like stretching out the spring, taking the top off the LnL. I find that modding your weapons makes for a much different game, not to say it's not alot of fun, it just adds an aspect to the game that I personally think takes away from the true competition.


I would say that a good part of the competitve aspect of Nerf is one's preparation. Playing is one thing, but one's readiness is something entirely different. Much like success in competitive sports lies in preparation before the game, success in a Nerf war can be traced back to proper modding, dart making, and practice. I feel that mods are what make the game fun. It allows a certain amount of self improvement on the part of the individual Nerfer. It also leaves an outlet for creativity and is attractive to the mechanically gifted. Much of the popularity of Nerf as a hobby over the years has been a result of modifications. I'll be the first to admit that I am not the greatest modder ever, but even if my gun fires only a foot better than out of box, there is a certain feeling of accomplishment I get.

I have played with modded guns before and I quickly saw that the person with the best mod has a clear advantage over the rest of the field. (i.e. my friend bought a moddified BBB of ebay and he's pretty accurate from 60 feet away if i'm holding a modified LnL and PC there's not much I can do.


If you want to keep things level, good for you. I would much rather see a variety of weapons and skills on the Nerf field. It makes things a lot more interesting. I have just always felt that people who mod for range, deserve to have an advantage over those who don't. If someone has a gun working better than me, good for them. It is then their right to completely own me.

I also like that the veriety of games unmodded games brings. You can specify that everybody must single barrel pistols and it's a blast to see someone frantically running away from someone else looking for ammo on the ground.


I guarantee you that any bit of variety you can come up with in the purist's form of Nerf, there is at least an equal number of scenarios in modded Nerf. Besides, a lot of guys at the wars I attend use single shot guns, while the West Coast concentrates on multi-shot Nerf. Both styles are unique of the other, and have their distincitive advantage. I personally enjoy running my ass off to avoid getting shot when I just missed my sole shot before the required reload. ^_^

I guess you can just say I'm a nerf purest. Also, do us all a favor and stop buying non-nerf guns. Instead of wasting your money on nothing just buy another nerf gun. We need to support nerf and keep it alive for as long as possible and if you buy a bunch of nothing thats not gonna happen. This applies to not just non-nerf guns, it applies to all nothing, like food, gasoline, postitutes. IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF NOTHING.


Competition keeps Nerf on their toes. If the other companies bring themselves attention, Nerf notices it. One of their engineers (who I have met) has recently posted on this board to answer related questions regarding the Nerf line. They are aware of community trends and react to them accordingly. I agree with those that say the N-Strike line must have some roots in the integration craze that still seems to be going strong. Therefore, I welcome any response they have with open arms. The people in charge of the Nerf line are a great group. I have complete confidence in their foresight and future models. As I have said before, I have bought one Nerf competitor gun in my life. When you compare that to the 40+ Nerf guns I have bought from the tender age of 6 to now, I think my long time customer rating has been proved.

If you would care to enlighten me on your "bunch of nothing" rant, I would truly appreciate it. This community is actually a small subset of Nerf's business model. OMC has mentioned this numerous times. Our support helps, and it is fantastic that Nerf has taken an interest in what the community thinks, but I feel like ranting and raving on the site may result in the sale of a few more Nerf guns and not make much of an impact on Hasbro's sales.

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 10:55 PM

...why fundamentalists should not nerf.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 12:54 AM

what kind of life do you have that you care so much that you can only buy nerf brand?

lanard and other brands all use basically the same technology.
i have just aquired some national geographic jet launchers that i plan to modify.

if it can fire foam in a reasonably logical and efficient package, why not?
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#16 draculabakula

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 03:51 AM

I guess if I must explain myself even futher I will. You see, I started by naming this topic "it's Nerf or Nothing." This was Nerf's slogan back in the day. As opposed to their crappy new slogan "play your game." If you don't get the reference the rest of the post will not make sense. When I started playing Nerf I decided, that this is a good set of guidlines to live by, dealing with dart guns or not. That's why I only wear the nerf glasses that come with the target tag set for example.

Honestly I've never shot a Nerf imposter, I'm sure alot of them are really good guns and better than some of the guns that Nerf puts out, but that doesn't make them not nothing. Here's a good way to tell if something is nothing or not, if it doesn't say Nerf on the box it is nothing.

About imposter nerf brands giving Nerf competition, it's a load of crap. First off, we all ready established that these products are nothing. Nothing cannot give competition to something.

This brings me to the second meaning of "It's Nerf or Nothing," this gives you the choice of buying either Nerf or nothing ergo I do not buy food anymore, I only eat what I grow. Also, Nerf doesn't need competition from these undercutting sham dart guns because they already have enough competition from paintball, and airsoft, and real guns, and video games, and girls, or politicians who are dedicated to turning this country into a place where children can only read the bible and run around a track.

Also, about the modding thing. I wasn't trying to put down modding guns at all. I get enjoyment out of modding guns as well, (the one I did, which was a LnL because I got it in really bad condition and decided to tweak it a little while I was cleaning it out) It's just that the Nerf community here (100% my friends and I) isn't into modding that much.

I wasn't trying to rant or flame or anything, I was kind of trying to explain where I am coming from as an introduction. Reading back on my post I realize that I didn't make myself clear at all on that. Well all except for the non-nerf comments it really is Nerf or nothing for me.
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 08:30 AM

Ah, and let me explain myself.

I play with foam guns, and have fun with them. I think what your saying it a load of crap.

Now that we undrstand eachother, I bid you adue`.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 09:35 AM

Draculabakula:

Dude, you're taking this WAY too seriously. We're talking about flippin DART GUNS. It's not like it's gonna make a difference if I buy another Big Salvo, or a Max Shot. I'm still gonna get every gun Nerf comes out with. Hell, bobo companies like Lanard look up to Nerf, because of their monster sales and popularity. This site isn't called "LanardHaven" for a reason. Plus, I'm glad there are other companies that make dart guns because competetion makes the guys at Hasbro strive even harder to make even better and cooler guns. In retrospect, Nerf isn't about all about the company, it's also about the community, and the wars. Getting together and shooting eachother with anything that can propel foam or a similar type of projectile (WCLP darts, etc.) is called NERFING. I hope I have enlightened you on the subject.

Edited by NerfLad78, 26 July 2005 - 09:36 AM.

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Posted 26 July 2005 - 12:07 PM

Draculabakula:

It sounds like you've made your decision on what brand to commit to. I commend you on that. Sounded kind of like me, when I was young and would only use a Mac. I'm sure Nerf is proud of your commitment to their brand.

Your entire argument is based on Nerf's old slogan, but your insistence on labeling everything else as "nothing" and using only Nerf-brand products is all you. "Nothing" would infer that these "imposter" brands don't put out anything that could even measure up to Nerf's line of blasters. I'm sure at one time this was true, however you yourself said, regarding blasters from other brands, "I'm sure a lot of them are really good guns and better than some of the guns that Nerf puts out." Yet, they are still "nothing" to you because of what... the slogan? Your personal commitment? So if Lanard produces a gun that could trounce the Titan in power and range (theoretically speaking) it would still be nothing, huh?

In the broad scheme of life, I hope you move on from this state of mind. Not that it's wrong for you to think this way - it's your choice and freedom, but I just want you to know that there is life beyond foam-shooting toy guns and marketing slogans.

As for only wearing the shades from the Dart Tag set, what did you wear before for eye-protection (both from darts and from the sun), seeing that it only came out recently?
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Posted 26 July 2005 - 01:00 PM

This brings me to the second meaning of "It's Nerf or Nothing," this gives you the choice of buying either Nerf or nothing ergo I do not buy food anymore, I only eat what I grow.

Oh, this thread is a riot.

Everyone quit paying attention to the troll.
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Posted 02 August 2005 - 12:05 AM

(i.e. my friend bought a moddified BBB of ebay and he's pretty accurate from 60 feet away if i'm holding a modified LnL and PC there's not much I can do.
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It's just that the Nerf community here (100% my friends and I) isn't into modding that much.

As for the first part: If you think that a stock PC should have range equal to a modded BBB you have something seriously wrong with you.

And secondly: Oh yes, the community here just hates modding, we can't fucking stand it
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#22 LastManAlive

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Posted 02 August 2005 - 12:06 AM

Either you:

1. can't read or
2. can but not things over top of your posts. Can I declare this topic dead?
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