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#1 ompa

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 12:40 PM

Obviously taking ideas from boltsniper and your basic unknown breech, I made myself a smaller version of the pvc-only clip. I find that SCH80 brass fits over 17/32 brass nicely, and made a clip out of it. Currently it's gravity fed, but it should be bottom-fed later as soon as I get a leaf spring.

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It's just a less bulky way of making a clip system, and it's easy enough that everyone can use it. I know it's been done before, but if the leaf spring works for me, I plan to make another one along with a writeup. The main benefit I see with this clip over other clips I've seen is the lack of shells. Since the brass fits so well in SCH80pvc for me, I don't need to work with o-rings or anything of the sort, which allows the whole thing to be smaller. I seem to only lose maybe 5-10 feet through INITIAL AND ESTIMATED testing. I haven't done any concrete testing yet, as it's still really wet outside. I'm just hoping this should help with the ROF issue many breech guns have, like the Crossbow or Maxshot. Well, not so much an issue, but a small hinderance to some people.

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Posted 13 July 2005 - 01:14 PM

Dude, That Is Awesome. I'm looking forward to your Full Write Up, This could really change the way many people nerf. I can Already See It and i'm skerddd....
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 11:49 AM

Here are some more pictures, using a smaller 5-round clip. I actually got the stupid leaf spring to work, and it functions fairly well. I should have a writeup soon, maybe by the end of the week or beginning of next week.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 01:09 PM

Very nice!!!
Looks cool when attached to the gun!
But, whats that yellow stuff inbetween the cut pvc and the wood?
Is it glue or something?

Edited by Ronster, 14 July 2005 - 01:10 PM.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 01:11 PM

Hot glue, apparently for plastics and PVC.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 01:20 PM

How long do you think before you have the write-up up?
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 01:49 PM

You could probably follow bolts FAR write up to make that, it looks to be what ompa did. Good job, I've always thought the xbow could use a decent fire rate. I like the paint job it too. But uh, what the hell did you intergrate into it?
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 02:06 PM

An XP70 supersoaker and an sm1k pump.

It's very, very similar to Boltsniper's, except in, well, ok it functions rather differently, but has the same effect.

I'm making a different version of the actual bolt system itself right now, I should have pictures up later. This one should actually be alot better-looking/functioning. I should finish it up tomorrow, which means writeup probably this weekend or early/mid next week. From looking at the pictures though, it should be mostly self-explanatory.

If you have all the materials, you can build one in about 30 minutes, not counting the drying time for the handle (you need to glue it). Other than that, it's suprisingly easy to make, especially the one pictured.

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 02:24 PM

I forgot to ask, how do the shells eject?
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#10 ompa

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 02:41 PM

That's the beauty of it, there ARE no shells. That's why it can be so much more compact that most other clips, and why it's so easy to build. The pvc fits well around the brass, where there really isn't any room for air to pass, but slides enough to make it easy to handle.

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#11 Ronster

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 03:05 PM

Since there are no shells dosent the spring on the clip crush the darts up against the other pvc?
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Posted 14 July 2005 - 03:11 PM

No, because the spring has little tension.

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#13 flamebo388

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Posted 14 July 2005 - 05:47 PM

Oh, see I thought you used the brass as shells, my bad. Makes it even better, and you should probably keep the current spring then.
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#14 ompa

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Posted 17 July 2005 - 06:55 PM

Writeup is in progress right now, just some minor updates: I completed the second version of the clip, which has a few improvements over the first barrel system, but a few new things that didn't work out so well. I'm working on my third clip right now, which is the one that will be included in the writeup- it's about 1/2 done, but since it takes 12 hours for the glue I use to properly dry, and the last step is the glue, it will probably be wed. that I'll be able to post a writeup. I cannot thank Cx enough for his constant pushing to use JB weld, it works wonders beyond all comprehension. So thanks Cxwq.

Anyways, the white barrel is the second barrel version, the third one will be returning to the sch80pvc/17/32 brass combo, because the 3 layers of brass I tried on the second version didn't turn out so hot. It still works, just the action isn't as smooth.

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To answer the AT2k paint question: my friend wanted to do a presentation on how to mod an AT2k for his speech class, and asked me to trick out an AT2k for him. So I attached all the little doo-hickies that macho kids like, such as scopes and laser sights and whatnot. So then I painted it; when he was done with the presentation, I just ripped everything off of it, which left multiple holes in the paint. The poor paintjob is also due to me trying to paint with a nearly empty can of spraypaint at 10pm at night before his presentation, since I "forgot" about it until that time. Spraypainting tip: Don't drop a newly painted gun in the grass, and even worse, don't drop it in woodchips.

So far, I have nearly no problems with the barrel system thus far- the only gripe I have had since switching to JB weld, which I now love, is that occasionally when the last dart is being loaded the bolt will hit the little platform beneath it. However, nothing that a little sandpaper won't solve. It'll be solved in time for the writeup of course.

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Edited by ompa, 17 July 2005 - 06:56 PM.

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#15 scientology

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 05:10 PM

could a hole for a breech or bolt be cut with just a hacksaw? I know it will be harder than with a dremel but is it even possible
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#16 ompa

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 05:18 PM

Yes, it's possible, just very difficult.

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Posted 18 July 2005 - 07:33 PM

Ompa,

regarding the 17/32" brass, were you using 9/16" stefans? If not what size were you using?


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Posted 18 July 2005 - 08:59 PM

Sorry im late to the party :lol: , excellent work very innovative :ph34r:
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#19 ompa

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Posted 19 July 2005 - 08:49 AM

I was using regular micro stefans, so 1/2inch stefans.

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 12:48 PM

Hey ompa,
What happened?
On nerfhq you said you would have the writeup up by Wednesday.
Its Saturday. B)
Several people including me wish to know how you make your homemade clip design.
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#21 ompa

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 12:54 PM

Yikes! It's 4/5 done and written up, it's just gluing the thing on, I'll have it up monday, promise. It's going to be a part of my next gun, which is why I delayed it, as I was busy incorporating it. It'll be up monday, sorry for the wait.

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Posted 23 July 2005 - 02:01 PM

Ompa, this delay reveals your true incompetance. This is unacceptable. Your lack of deadline commitment has de-inspired me. You have proven to me that man is inately evil, and I wish no longer to be a part of it. You are ruining the world Ompa, ruining the world. You will lie in bed, awake, unable to sleep, lest you have nightmares, for the rest of your days.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

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Very cool clip!
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Posted 23 July 2005 - 09:31 PM

A clan member did something like that but he just made a boltaction type thing and slaped an AT2K valve on the end of it. It worked really good. It was just your bolt action idea there minus the clip and he taped or glued a '2K vlave to the end, running a peiece of vinyl tubing to where the dart that is loaded is at. It snaped in-half during the war. Lol
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#24 KirbySaysHi

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 06:39 PM

It snaped in-half during the war. Lol

Well.. then I guess it didn't work very well, did it?

[Not meant to be offensive!]

Gun in half is a similar problem I am encountering while making my own homemade.

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And I sure hope this clip deal turns out to be amazing, because it LOOKS amazing!

Copy!

Edited by KirbySaysHi, 24 July 2005 - 06:40 PM.

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#25 ompa

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Posted 24 July 2005 - 08:05 PM

THIRST, when I end up finishing this damned rifle, I think I'll make up for it. If you like halo just a little bit, you'll love this thing to death. Expect pictures and writeup probably around 1-2pm tomorrow. Taking the last pictures today, finishing the writeup tomorrow.

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