#1
Posted 07 June 2005 - 10:05 AM
I've been nerfing since I was a wee lad (my brother and I used to play capture the flag across four backyards), and I've tried modding guns and such, but I've never been able to get the results you all talk about.
The gun in question is the nite finder. I've removed all the air restrictors (by drilling and keeping the "rings" intact), and then I added a crayola barrel, surrounded by approximately four inches of 1/2" SCH 40 PVC. The crayola/PVC are hot glued and electrical taped into place. I replaced the spring with a different one I found at a Farm and Fleet (7/8 x 4 x .080 inches), and I also added a small bungee that hooks perfectly onto the handle.
So, I have two questions: one, how much of the crayola marker should I use? Right now I'm using the entire marker (w/ writing tip). Searching through these posts has revealed nothing more than "use a crayola barrel" (no specifics). My PVC goes about an inch and a half past the crayola.
Second question: whenever I shoot a dart (stock or stefan) it whirly-gigs out, with a max range of about 20 feet. The dart flies in a straight path, but the back end circles through the air. To me, it almost looks like the gun is trying to push the back of the dart past the front, and that the two ends are in a struggle.
Sorry for the length of this post, but I've seen so many on this forum where the first response is "Details, please!" I have probably forgotten something important...
Thanks!
(and sorry for an nf question... sort of...)
#2
Posted 07 June 2005 - 10:24 AM
Edited by torch, 07 June 2005 - 10:27 AM.
#3
Posted 07 June 2005 - 11:28 AM
Welcome and good luck!
~Halfling
#4
Posted 07 June 2005 - 11:34 AM
I have success (on six of my NiteFinders) with just a Crayola marker as the barrel, with no PVC added to it. I get 40-50 foot ranges with it, with NO banding, and the stock spring setup.
Not having done a PVC mod on a NF, I'm not sure if that's what's causing your stock darts to spin upon firing. Dart spin is often associated with either excessive power, darts that are too heavy at the nose, or poorly made Stefans. With stock darts, my crayola-only NFs get pretty much average (30-40 ft) ranges, and the darts are pretty consistent shooting. It's my Stefans that occasionally spin; I attribute that to mediocre craftsmanship.
I'd try to make a couple of test Stefans of differing lengths and weights (I'm assuming you're using BB sized split shot weights, so you could go as much as three, or as little as one), Experiment and see with your homemade darts and find the length/ front weight that shoots most consistently out of your modded NF. I found that a 2" long (1/2" FBR) stefan with one BB sized weight shoots most consistently out of my NFs.
You might even consider pulling off the PVC and trying to run the crayola barrel only. Stefans would go all the way in the barrel, but stock darts would go in only to the purple suction tip (that part would stick out).
Excellent first post, KirbySaysHi. Good inquiring question, you did some searches, and you described your modification with enough details that most readers know exactly what you did to your NiteFinder.
Hope this helps some. Good luck!
-Piney-
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#5
Posted 07 June 2005 - 11:38 AM
(PVC would fit most kinds of stock ammo better.)
*edit* Piney got to it before me . But I'd have to say that I disagree with losing the PVC entirely. PVC will generally help performance with stock darts because it creates a seal around the tip of the dart ideally with the length is right. Then again I've never modded a nightfinder specifically with a crayola just other guns.)
Edited by MysticNinja, 07 June 2005 - 12:57 PM.
#6
Posted 07 June 2005 - 12:23 PM
Thanks again!
#7
Posted 07 June 2005 - 12:26 PM
So which is it? Would you recommend that I keep crayola with PVC or use 1/2" cpvc? And... if I should go with the CPVC, I use it as a nub, correct? And then extend the barrel using something else? I'm pretty new to that...You need a tighter barrel to dart fit. Get rid of the Crayola and use either Mega home made darts with ½” PVC, or the more common micros using CPVC.
*edit* Piney got to it before me ;D. But I'd have to say that I disagree with losing the PVC entirely. PVC will generally help performance with stock darts because it creates a seal around the tip of the dart ideally with the length is right. Then again I've never modded a nightfinder specifically with a crayola just other guns.)
#8
Posted 07 June 2005 - 12:57 PM
Edited by MysticNinja, 07 June 2005 - 01:00 PM.
#9
Posted 07 June 2005 - 01:20 PM
Right now, I'm just looking for range/power. Wouldn't I want to stick with micro stefans for that?
#10
Posted 07 June 2005 - 01:35 PM
Slighly.Right now, I'm just looking for range/power. Wouldn't I want to stick with micro stefans for that?
The point I’m trying to stress is better dart fit. Tighter dart fit. And I don’t think your going to get what your looking for using Crayola barrels. BUT apparently Piney does, so you very well might too, but for me Crayola barrels have never bode well and I can only talk form my expeirance. His advice shouldn’t necessarily be written off .
Simplified: You’re looking for something similar to a cork popping out of a wine bottle in a spring gun like the nightfinder. Just not as extreme. Look around Cxwq has a good article covering barrel to dart fit and choosing the right barrel to dart combo for your gun. It’s not really complicated, and I hope I’m not making it seem overly so.
I assumed that since you haven’t modded much, but have been war’n for a while you had an abundance of stock darts.
#11
Posted 07 June 2005 - 01:55 PM
#12
Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:07 PM
No.I forgot to add in my description that I took the o-ring off of the plunger and replaced it with electrical tape... only for the better?
#13
Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:16 PM
#14
Posted 07 June 2005 - 02:44 PM
Edited by MysticNinja, 07 June 2005 - 02:45 PM.
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