#1
Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:25 PM
#2
Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:28 PM
THIRST
#3
Posted 06 April 2005 - 03:57 PM
is there a wat to make a bigger airtank if you would like to reach me IM me on AIM
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#4
Posted 06 April 2005 - 04:42 PM
How do you "inner tube" it? And could you "inner tube" it and band it, so as to achieve even better results?Inner tubing is better than banding or cutting.
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#5
Posted 06 April 2005 - 04:48 PM
THIRST
#6
Posted 06 April 2005 - 04:48 PM
Clean up your posts please they're confuseing.yes I was going to put a post up about more mods for the Powerclip
is there a wat to make a bigger airtank if you would like to reach me IM me on AIM
Hurley7880
Edited by fastkill, 06 April 2005 - 04:49 PM.
#8
Posted 06 April 2005 - 05:45 PM
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#9
Posted 06 April 2005 - 06:03 PM
#10
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:28 PM
#11
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:31 PM
#12
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:32 PM
Not inner tube, cutting it shorter does that.Just a question, is it true that the inner tube actually weakens the airtank over time? I remember hearing that somewhere.
THIRST
#13
Posted 08 April 2005 - 04:51 PM
Ok, that makes sense. The question that comes to mind now is, how much range. With the correct barrel repacements, could you double it? I know there's a limit to the structural integrity of what Nerf guns can handle, but that's really the only limit that I can think of. Imagine a rapid fire 20 with 12" barrels, if you could manage to secure them on. Wow. A machine gun with 100' range. There's a worthy goal.Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.
#14
Posted 08 April 2005 - 05:00 PM
12" barrel's doesn't mean a gun is going to get 100', the RF20 isn't made to shoot that far, even if the barrel's were that long. You would get less range. Longer barrel's only help in guns with high air output.Ok, that makes sense. The question that comes to mind now is, how much range. With the correct barrel repacements, could you double it? I know there's a limit to the structural integrity of what Nerf guns can handle, but that's really the only limit that I can think of. Imagine a rapid fire 20 with 12" barrels, if you could manage to secure them on. Wow. A machine gun with 100' range. There's a worthy goal.Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.
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#15
Posted 08 April 2005 - 05:08 PM
The mod would increase air output. You're probably right about not getting 100' though. I actually think now the limiting factor would be the size of the air tank.12" barrel's doesn't mean a gun is going to get 100', the RF20 isn't made to shoot that far, even if the barrel's were that long. You would get less range. Longer barrel's only help in guns with high air output.
Ok, that makes sense. The question that comes to mind now is, how much range. With the correct barrel repacements, could you double it? I know there's a limit to the structural integrity of what Nerf guns can handle, but that's really the only limit that I can think of. Imagine a rapid fire 20 with 12" barrels, if you could manage to secure them on. Wow. A machine gun with 100' range. There's a worthy goal.Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.
#16
Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:11 PM
It will skip or self-destruct if you add too much tension on the spring holding the piston back. I did a trial single-barrel on my PC with banded piston and was able to achieve approximately 65' flat, 45' accurate.
The limitation is that the bearing surfaces in the piston were not made to withstand the added pressure.
#17
Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:31 PM
#18
Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:35 PM
What do you prefer? Greatest possible angled distance? A specified amount of inclination? In wars, most people use a 10-15 degree inclination for long shots without even thinking about it, but the maximum useful range tends to be around the same as the flat distance.although I'm not sold on flat range tests.
#19
Posted 08 April 2005 - 06:49 PM
Edited by frank8715, 08 April 2005 - 06:51 PM.
#20
Posted 12 April 2005 - 10:53 PM
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#21
Posted 13 April 2005 - 01:58 AM
I've been working with my rf20's to make a good-banded piston mod, and I’ve had moderate to high success, considering nothing has broken even with a strong rubber band.
The PETG is almost absolutely necessary. I need 10' so that I can make the turret, with 6" barrels, which I think is about right for the current air output. I also think that it might be a good idea to use an rf20 that has 6" barrels in single fire mode. I don't know how fast the darts will leave the 6" barrels, but if it's too slow, you could have very bad accuracy problems concerning the turret rotating too fast in full auto mode.
Lastly, with said banded piston, I get approximately 15 shots or less to the bladder. I'm expanding the current bladder, but if you expect to get all 20 out with one bladder, you won't be able to band the piston much. In the end, I think I might end up just replacing all the tubing with high quality vinyl and heavy gooped connections.
I finally have some good darts, so hopefully tomorrow I’ll be able to range test my banded rf20. Either way, 10' of good PETG is hard to come by, anyone willing to sell me that much, I will pay a good price.
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#22
Posted 13 April 2005 - 11:13 AM
Keep in mind that if the mod is done successfully, the dart should accelerate the whole time it's in the barrel. This means that the time it takes to leave a 6" barrel will only be slightly more than the time it takes to leave 3". I'm not too concerned with inaccuracy caused by too fast of barrel rotation. If you do come across this though, you could always slow the speed down by making a smaller hole for the air to pass though on its way to the piston. I did that on one of my wildfires.Wow, I can't believe I didn't see all of this.
I've been working with my rf20's to make a good-banded piston mod, and I’ve had moderate to high success, considering nothing has broken even with a strong rubber band.
The PETG is almost absolutely necessary. I need 10' so that I can make the turret, with 6" barrels, which I think is about right for the current air output. I also think that it might be a good idea to use an rf20 that has 6" barrels in single fire mode. I don't know how fast the darts will leave the 6" barrels, but if it's too slow, you could have very bad accuracy problems concerning the turret rotating too fast in full auto mode.
Lastly, with said banded piston, I get approximately 15 shots or less to the bladder. I'm expanding the current bladder, but if you expect to get all 20 out with one bladder, you won't be able to band the piston much. In the end, I think I might end up just replacing all the tubing with high quality vinyl and heavy gooped connections.
I finally have some good darts, so hopefully tomorrow I’ll be able to range test my banded rf20. Either way, 10' of good PETG is hard to come by, anyone willing to sell me that much, I will pay a good price.
-Jlego
I've got a deal going for 100' of PETG tubing. I'll sell you 10' when I get it. I agree that it's almost absolutely necessary, mainly because of weight. I don't want to risk the turret being so heavy that in bends down and maybe partially looses its seal.
You disappoint me when you talk about the bladder. I was hoping that it would be big enough to shoot all 20 darts on a banded piston. Have you tried putting an inner tube over that bladder, as well as bands?
It looks like we're basically doing the same mod. Good luck with yours,
Franky
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