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[duce]

So I hace semi-recently acquired a good condition Power Clip. So far I have taken out the pegs and drilled out of the clip and made it removable. I have seen many different variations on how to mod the internls for better range and ROF. I just went out and looked all over for all the mods I could scrounge up, which was more than I expected. I already knew of most of the mods but some like the Nerf World mod stood out. What I was wondering is, which is the mod that will most increase range and ROF? Is it banding, cutting the bladder down, or something else? Thank you for any advice to come.

[THIRST]

Inner tubing is better than banding or cutting.

THIRST

[SneakUP]

yes I was going to put a post up about more mods for the Powerclip

is there a wat to make a bigger airtank if you would like to reach me IM me on AIM
Hurley7880

[MattPaintballer]

Inner tubing is better than banding or cutting.

How do you "inner tube" it? And could you "inner tube" it and band it, so as to achieve even better results?

[THIRST]

Inner tubing means slipping a cut-off section of bike inner tube over the bladder. As for banding and inner tubing? I dont think it would make much of a difference, and it really isn't nessecary. Theres a good chance the high pressure would bow the tubes as well, so I would advice against it.

THIRST

[fastkill]

yes I was going to put a post up about more mods for the Powerclip

is there a wat to make a bigger airtank if you would like to reach me IM me on AIM
Hurley7880

Clean up your posts please they're confuseing.

Edited by fastkill, 06 April 2005 - 04:49 PM.

[duce]

How do you "inner tube" it?

PC Mod Go here, go to modifications and then PowerClip.

Thanks THIRST, it looks tough but I'll give it a go.

[LordoftheRing434]

I banded mine about 2 years ago, and it didn't seem like it did that much. Plus later on I got a pesky leak in the gasket behind the pump, but I don't think that had anything to do with it. Fixed that with plumber's goop so now it works fine. I'm also interested to see some of these mods. I've removable clip modded it, and taken out the pins, but aside from banding it I haven't modded for power or ROF.

[LiKnSmAkScOmIn]

Just a question, is it true that the inner tube actually weakens the airtank over time? I remember hearing that somewhere.

[foamsmith]

In rapid fire guns, has anyone tried attaching some sort of stretchy band or extension spring from the rear of the arm of the piston to some place behind the piston, thereby making it harder for the piston to move forward, hence maybe increasing range? Thinking about trying it so I thought I'd see if anyone's done it before.

[cxwq]

Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.

[THIRST]

Just a question, is it true that the inner tube actually weakens the airtank over time? I remember hearing that somewhere.

Not inner tube, cutting it shorter does that.

THIRST

[foamsmith]

Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.

Ok, that makes sense. The question that comes to mind now is, how much range. With the correct barrel repacements, could you double it? I know there's a limit to the structural integrity of what Nerf guns can handle, but that's really the only limit that I can think of. Imagine a rapid fire 20 with 12" barrels, if you could manage to secure them on. Wow. A machine gun with 100' range. There's a worthy goal.

[The Large Moose]

Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.

Ok, that makes sense. The question that comes to mind now is, how much range. With the correct barrel repacements, could you double it? I know there's a limit to the structural integrity of what Nerf guns can handle, but that's really the only limit that I can think of. Imagine a rapid fire 20 with 12" barrels, if you could manage to secure them on. Wow. A machine gun with 100' range. There's a worthy goal.

12" barrel's doesn't mean a gun is going to get 100', the RF20 isn't made to shoot that far, even if the barrel's were that long. You would get less range. Longer barrel's only help in guns with high air output.

[foamsmith]

Yes, it provides slightly more range at the cost of reliability. The problem with the PC is that increased pressure don't really do much given the extremely short barrels. Works better on the RF20 if you manage a barrel replacement.

Ok, that makes sense. The question that comes to mind now is, how much range. With the correct barrel repacements, could you double it? I know there's a limit to the structural integrity of what Nerf guns can handle, but that's really the only limit that I can think of. Imagine a rapid fire 20 with 12" barrels, if you could manage to secure them on. Wow. A machine gun with 100' range. There's a worthy goal.

12" barrel's doesn't mean a gun is going to get 100', the RF20 isn't made to shoot that far, even if the barrel's were that long. You would get less range. Longer barrel's only help in guns with high air output.

The mod would increase air output. You're probably right about not getting 100' though. I actually think now the limiting factor would be the size of the air tank.

[cxwq]

Correct. And the maximum pressure of the air tank. And the ability of the piston mechanism to stand up to the forces created by the extra pressure and spring/bands holding it back.

It will skip or self-destruct if you add too much tension on the spring holding the piston back. I did a trial single-barrel on my PC with banded piston and was able to achieve approximately 65' flat, 45' accurate.

The limitation is that the bearing surfaces in the piston were not made to withstand the added pressure.

[foamsmith]

When I get some PETG tubing, I think I'll try 20 6" barrels with an adjustable amount of added tension on the piston for my rapid fire 20. I'll fine-tune the extra tension until I get the best result. 65' flat is encouraging, although I'm not sold on flat range tests.

[cxwq]

although I'm not sold on flat range tests.

What do you prefer? Greatest possible angled distance? A specified amount of inclination? In wars, most people use a 10-15 degree inclination for long shots without even thinking about it, but the maximum useful range tends to be around the same as the flat distance.

[foamsmith]

Yeah, I guess I would prefer greatest possible angled distance. I know it's not used in wars, but it seems more of an accurate power measurement than flat tests. Flat tests vary by how level the ground is, how tall the person shooting is, and of course if the barrel is not perfectly level. A greatest distance test will vary somewhat on these things, but not near as much. In a powerful gun, a FLAT test and 5 degree angled test can result in about a 20' discrepancy in measured distance.

Edited by frank8715, 08 April 2005 - 06:51 PM.

[TimberwolfCY]

In my experience, there isn't a great deal one can do with the PC without destroying its [already fragile] reliability. Considering that many PCs produced were faulty to begin with, if you have a working one, and it works well, you may not want to do anything to radical with it unless you have spares, or are that beastly at modding. At anyrate, I did the standard pin-removal, making the clip removable, and I put about 6 or so rubber bands on the tank; I always carry a spare pre-loaded clip in a belt pouch; I reload the starting clip as often as possible, but the second clip comes in handy if I'm in a jam. I'd say I get about 50-55 feet flat (I guess maybe 60-65 feet at a 15 degree angle) using good Stefans; the ranges are accurate, as I've measured off various points in my dorm hallway for range testing. I highly recommend using 6mm BBs for making micro-Stefans for the PC (as I read in one of Cx's posts awhile back); range will suffer slightly (a few feet) but because of the greater front-weight of the dart, accuracy is vastly improved over using normal micros or .177 cal. BBs. Finally, it's important to keep in mind that all automatic designs are inherently inefficient, so you're not going to get a whole lot of range no matter how much you tinker with it; and considering the PC's delicate balance, I wouldn't tinker with it too much.

[Jlego]

Wow, I can't believe I didn't see all of this.
I've been working with my rf20's to make a good-banded piston mod, and I’ve had moderate to high success, considering nothing has broken even with a strong rubber band.
The PETG is almost absolutely necessary. I need 10' so that I can make the turret, with 6" barrels, which I think is about right for the current air output. I also think that it might be a good idea to use an rf20 that has 6" barrels in single fire mode. I don't know how fast the darts will leave the 6" barrels, but if it's too slow, you could have very bad accuracy problems concerning the turret rotating too fast in full auto mode.
Lastly, with said banded piston, I get approximately 15 shots or less to the bladder. I'm expanding the current bladder, but if you expect to get all 20 out with one bladder, you won't be able to band the piston much. In the end, I think I might end up just replacing all the tubing with high quality vinyl and heavy gooped connections.
I finally have some good darts, so hopefully tomorrow I’ll be able to range test my banded rf20. Either way, 10' of good PETG is hard to come by, anyone willing to sell me that much, I will pay a good price.
-Jlego

[foamsmith]

Wow, I can't believe I didn't see all of this.
I've been working with my rf20's to make a good-banded piston mod, and I’ve had moderate to high success, considering nothing has broken even with a strong rubber band.
The PETG is almost absolutely necessary. I need 10' so that I can make the turret, with 6" barrels, which I think is about right for the current air output. I also think that it might be a good idea to use an rf20 that has 6" barrels in single fire mode. I don't know how fast the darts will leave the 6" barrels, but if it's too slow, you could have very bad accuracy problems concerning the turret rotating too fast in full auto mode.
Lastly, with said banded piston, I get approximately 15 shots or less to the bladder. I'm expanding the current bladder, but if you expect to get all 20 out with one bladder, you won't be able to band the piston much. In the end, I think I might end up just replacing all the tubing with high quality vinyl and heavy gooped connections.
I finally have some good darts, so hopefully tomorrow I’ll be able to range test my banded rf20. Either way, 10' of good PETG is hard to come by, anyone willing to sell me that much, I will pay a good price.
-Jlego

Keep in mind that if the mod is done successfully, the dart should accelerate the whole time it's in the barrel. This means that the time it takes to leave a 6" barrel will only be slightly more than the time it takes to leave 3". I'm not too concerned with inaccuracy caused by too fast of barrel rotation. If you do come across this though, you could always slow the speed down by making a smaller hole for the air to pass though on its way to the piston. I did that on one of my wildfires.

I've got a deal going for 100' of PETG tubing. I'll sell you 10' when I get it. I agree that it's almost absolutely necessary, mainly because of weight. I don't want to risk the turret being so heavy that in bends down and maybe partially looses its seal.

You disappoint me when you talk about the bladder. I was hoping that it would be big enough to shoot all 20 darts on a banded piston. Have you tried putting an inner tube over that bladder, as well as bands?

It looks like we're basically doing the same mod. Good luck with yours,
Franky