A Discussion On The Co2 Method
#1
Posted 15 March 2005 - 01:41 PM
1. The co2 guns don't last as long as the compressed air cousins. This is mainly due to co2's concstant deviation in pressure and temperature. According to tippmann pneumatics, co2 can deviate anywhere from 300-2000 psi depending upon relatively small deviations in pressure. This is a huge difference that makes co2 guns like mine worthless in cold weather as well as puts a great deal of stress on the gun. Paintball manufacturers must compensate for this in their design and make a cruder product than would be possible with compressed air or nitrogen.
2.Accuracy Because co2 deviates so much in pressure, its very hard to find any consistency in aiming and the such because its range potential deviates so much. This is why most high end markers use nitrogen, though very expensive nitrogen offers consistency in this area and with a low pressure kit, can offer 300-400 psi in high volume.
There are effective methods for compensating for this like porting and an extra long barrel to provide the needed guidance for the dart, but at the end of the day, you're better off making your standard shrader valve homemades and filling them up before war.
#2
Posted 15 March 2005 - 02:51 PM
And another point, what you're doing is dangerous. A C02 nerf rifle is pretty much tatamount to firing a pellet gun at someone, which is considered assult. There have been multiple discussions on this, but let me explain you the biggest danger. Nerf darts don't break. Paintballs do, they bust and pretty much become liquid, and it hurts when you get hit by one. Firing a nerf dart does nothing but force immense ammounts of enery on your body. No one in their right mind would ever actually fire something like that at anyone, because it's sick and your going to blind/kill someone doing it.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell you not to kill yourself for coming up with an original (fucking HA!) idea that's potentially life threatening, but I can't continue to let someone condone this kind of stuff on the boards without speaking up. Here's why what you're doing is stupid:
1. As stated before, it's dangerous, your going to kill someone.
2. It's annoying because it's become more than clear that no one gives a fuck, but you continue to post about it. The reason no one gives a fuck is because of all the other reasons that are listed on here.
3. It's not a challange at all. You're putting pvc or other barrel type to fire a Nerf dart on Brass eagles, whoopdy-fucking-do. Yakman did it and it was cooler, but no less stupid.
4. You're trying to hock these death machines over the internet. What are you going to do when someone really does get killed with one of these things? Do you think any ammount of safety equipment will stop a steel projectile glued in foam? You know, paintballs are known to crack masks constantly, and like I said, they're made to break. Your firing a solid at someone.
5. It's been done in Jersey and from what I understand, automatically banned, and I'm guessing for all of the reasons on this list.
So in conclussion, I know there are a select few who are really interested in Co2 guns, and I'm not telling you not to make them. I am telling you that I personally can not condone sitting around and watching kids screw with stuff that's going to get them killed. Boltsniper is a completely different situation. He's smarter then you are. So I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that no one cares about this crap, it's dumb and I really wish you'd stop posting an exponential ammount of topics about your hell cannons.
Thanks,
Talio.
#3
Posted 15 March 2005 - 06:56 PM
So I guess yakman,boltsniper and myself all have ideas that are of no interest to anyone, and are stupid for trying them? I generated a great deal of interest on NHQ having personal offers of over $45 for my first version, which by the way is a simple petg mod with a breach installed and the cosmetic modifications are what interests most. What about boltsniper's combustion gun? Or cxwq's solenoid valve homemade? I suppose its easier to separate us because of some grudge you have against me, but myself and boltsniper did very similiar things. These "hell cannons" as you call them have less power than many homemades or modded nerf guns like the titan,sm5000, and rangshot(RAW).
The only moron is the one who fails to try new things and labels these propulsion systems as "dangerous" simply because of experience with paintball guns and their relative power. My whole post was over the fact that there are better propulsion systems out there anyway and my "exponential" posting of topics only amounts to 4 topics total on NHQ and nerfhaven.
A great deal of paintballs don't bust anyway and the most they leave is a nice welt as long as you stay in the 270FPS-300FPS range. The blade has a max velocity of 250 FPS with paintballs and much less with darts based on experience, so don't think for a second that being shot with one of my guns hurts near as much at the same distance as being shot with a paintball gun at the same distance.
Edited by Viper, 15 March 2005 - 07:02 PM.
#4
Posted 15 March 2005 - 07:09 PM
Honestly, you'll never be aloud to use it in a war because of the how loud it is, and that I'm sticking by it...you're going to kill someone.
Talio.
#5
Posted 15 March 2005 - 07:18 PM
In lots of wars, the SM5K is banned. (Just to tell you, you don't need a 2' barrel, I would stick with 1'-15")When one uses a 24inch barrel it has less power than a modded sm5000.
Back on topic, I agree CO2 is very unreliable on pressure and is picky on temperature. 12 grams are also very annoying and don't take up many shots. Overall, I would never use CO2 unless a demon threatened to poke me with his tridant if I didn't
"if anyone gives you shit about being a geek, just remind them that all their bases are belong to you." -Talio
#6
Posted 15 March 2005 - 07:24 PM
Edited by Viper, 15 March 2005 - 07:30 PM.
#7
Posted 15 March 2005 - 08:05 PM
Dont hate me because I also like paintball
I've always thought a spring-driven clip fed nerf gun would be nuts. If I ever get around to building what I have in mind I wil probably never use it in a game because of the ridiculous firepower that would surley kill the children.
#8
Posted 15 March 2005 - 08:07 PM
How could I hate a member who reads the forum for 8 months before making their first post!Dont hate me because I also like paintball
Welcome to NH.
#9
Posted 15 March 2005 - 08:15 PM
Well now, you don't see that every day!How could I hate a member who reads the forum for 8 months before making their first post!Dont hate me because I also like paintball
Welcome to NH.
Welcome to NH! With an attitude like that, you may go places here. Good first post too! I can tell you've actually read the CoC.
Not in the game anymore, but it was great while it lasted. Thanks for the great years of fun, NH!
--
Resident "Spawn of Talio"
#10
Posted 15 March 2005 - 08:17 PM
Edited by Viper, 15 March 2005 - 08:23 PM.
#11
Posted 15 March 2005 - 08:25 PM
PS-Bolt says he doesn't use his co2 rifle in wars so...ya. I don't know what he will do when (if) he converts his new rifle to co2. I probably wouldn't play with him...not that I do now or anything.
#12
Posted 15 March 2005 - 08:39 PM
#13
Posted 18 March 2005 - 09:03 PM
Hardened loser you are not alone, I play and love paintball too.
#14
Posted 19 March 2005 - 11:41 AM
Co2 is horrible. For almost any application, it is erratic, violate, and dirty. Tempature fluctuations, phase changes, and the normally unregulated pressures make a huge mess. The only advantage it has is that is is much cheaper and easier to come by for most people.
Want to spend money and build a decent homemade blaster? Use compressed air. We hooked a 4500psi bottle with 2 regs, a high and a low pressure, up to a Powerclip. Worked flawlessly. Working with simple air is so much easier and less dangerous. Do yourself a favor, buy a small compressed air bottle, a good secondary regulator, and use that. Though Hardened loser does get very good credit for describing how to use Co2 effeciently. You can use normal NPT threaded fittings, drills and taps, and hoses, so long as the fitting and hoses fit the pressures you are going to use.
On an off note, a friend has bunch of stuff for HPA blasters....I'll have to dig it up with him.
Edited by Ragornocks, 19 March 2005 - 11:41 AM.
#15
Posted 19 March 2005 - 08:29 PM
#16
Posted 19 March 2005 - 11:51 PM
PMI 88/4500 HPA Tank
Several chunks of 1/8" threaded Steel braided hose
Several angular fittings
A drill and tap set
WGP Regulator
1/8" Ball Valve
We ran the tank to the reg, and drilled/tapped the PCs air bladder, in one of the plastic parts. We turned the reg down to a low pressure (Maybe about 200psi? We were stupid, no gauges), ran the reg to the ball valve, and that to the PC. You'd gas up the tank, turn the ball valve and let the bladder inflate (which happens fast), turn off the valve, and shoot the blaster. Pull out the clip, put in a new one, repeat. I think we could theoretically shoot a several thousand shots off of one tank.
We did the same to an AT2K, but it didn't turn out as well...apparantly, Nerf plastics and bonding materials aren't up to 200psi of air...
#17
Posted 20 March 2005 - 02:19 PM
Well that and they don't have the over flow release that a PC, WF or RF20 have on the ends of the rubber bladders. Those guns are designed to be incabale of over pumping while the at2k well isn't. Still sounds like a pretty cool set up.We did the same to an AT2K, but it didn't turn out as well...apparantly, Nerf plastics and bonding materials aren't up to 200psi of air...
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