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[N3maN]

Considering my recent finding with my homemade combustion gun, i wish to hear other people points of view on their application to nerf.
Thanks guys
N3

[Fuse]

Personally I feel that level of firepower has no place in a war. The ammount of power that is needed in Nerf just doesnt justify it. Im not saying they're not fun, just that I dont like seeing them used against people.

[N3maN]

I agree, we must be carful in the use of them, they are more powerful and hence more dangerous, but i still think they can be used effectively and safely. Whenever i use my comb. gun in a war, i will use darts that do not have just the hot glue dome on top, but have a piece of foam glued on the end to reduce the impact. This will attempt to make them safer, however, in aust there are never any wars so i will never get to try it out

the other consideration is that when using a gun with the ranges of the comb. gun, the nature of the game may change to accomadate them in that it will become a game fought accross longer ranges that it currently is, making the gun less dangerous as it loses velocity over the range. I think the best way to incoporate them is to stricly govern their use, making that they cannot be used within a certain range, or in wars that are intended to involve alot of close range fighting.


N3

[WEASEL]

This is just like that poll that my dear friend ELEMENT made a long long time ago about co2 guns. co2 and combustion are sort of alike in terms of power and range and hurtness. I voted either way because it kinda depends on the gun.

[Techno-Dann]

the other consideration is that when using a gun with the ranges of the comb. gun, the nature of the game may change to accomadate them in that it will become a game fought accross longer ranges that it currently is.

The question is, do we really want to play over longer ranges? The most fun I have ever had while Nerfing was in a crazy, up-close-and-personal game, where everyone is close enough that a long-range weapon (Like, say, my 120-foot max loser-ish rifle) is overkill. If the range of weapons keeps increasing, the game will become more and more a loser's war: You won't know someone is even looking at you untill you're dead. I, personally, prefer a game where action is in the 10-30 foot range, not in the 150-200 foot range.

[okto]

True. Getting shot by people you can't even see sucks.

[N3maN]

I am kinda on the fence as i have never had a real war (stupid australia!), but i think their is room in the nerf world for both sides of the game, close up and insane, and long range losing.
N3

Edit: I am getting killed in this one. That one for for "They're great!" is mine

Edited by N3maN, 07 January 2005 - 06:23 AM.

[GeneralPrimevil]

I feel as if there should be restrictions placed on long distance guns. What I mean by that is that if, for instance, there's a gun that shoots 200+ feet, then it shouldn't be used for shots less than 90 feet (for all safety's sake). Also, a ratio of 1:5 people on a team may have one in use. That way there won't be some group of 15 people capable of taking out a whole team from behind some bushes two blocks away, unless there's 75 people on that team.

[cxwq]

It would be banned in my wars simply by virtue of being a homemade. We don't allow anything with a non-nerf air source.

Spoon and I feel that the increased risk of injury and the fact that it changes the game so much make homemades undesirable in our wars.

[Sinfil]

I simply am against combustion guns. My primary is a modded RapidFire 20. I can fit people from 20-30 feet, 40 on a good day. The reason that it is my primary is because guns that get over 100 feet are lame. Completey lame. And if you addded a clip it would be even lamer. If you want super-high ranged guns, go play airsoft or paintball. They hardly ever have a place in nerf.

[duce]

I dont they think that they should be aloud to be in standard nerf wars, but often I play night wars were everyone just has one high power gun (titan, sm5k, homemade) and few darts. The game promotes stealth and marksmenship. I think a combustion gun would be excellent.

[cxwq]

I dont they think that they should be aloud to be in standard nerf wars, but often I play night wars were everyone just has one high power gun (titan, sm5k, homemade) and few darts. The game promotes stealth and marksmenship. I think a combustion gun would be excellent.

Think the tongue of flame shooting out the barrel might give away your location?

[Pineapple]

...or the neighbors calling the cops everytime you set your "firearm" off?

Honestly, I can't imagine shooting at someone with a combustion gun...even if it does "only shoot foam darts" (or oil pellets like you originally described it).

It seems no different if I loaded a Remington 760 "Wingmaster" shotgun (unfortunately, I sold it and don't own any firearms...for now) with a "light load" of smokeless powder and no wadding sabot, and put a 7/8 inch foam dart with one BB sized fishing weight, and fired it at someone...humm.

There's something about the unpredictability of combustion that really doesn't sit well with me. For God's sake, we're supposed to be pelting each other with foam out of plastic toys.

Aside from homemades for strictly entertainment/ distance competition/ research and development/ shooting the loose neighborhood dogs, I don't find them suitable for use in any war. I'm already seeking more lower-powered blasters (like spring pistols) so that the kids in the neighborhood won't go home with more welts than necessary, saving the "good" blasters for when I have more adults around.

A combustion Nerf gun is nothing more than a mini spud shooter with a small barrel. Notice that the sites like spudtech.com, do not endorse shooting anyone or anything living with them. Why should a Nerf version be any different?

-Piney-

[duce]

Think the tongue of flame shooting out the barrel might give away your location?

I do agree with you for the most part. But see my family owns a golf course and that where we play usually. It has lots of forests, tall grass, other cover and is also jst huge. We usually limit it to an area of a square mile or two, depending of the amout of players. So it wouldnt be as much of a problem. Also, its a players choice if they want to risk being seen for higher firepower. Just my opinion.

Edited by duce, 07 January 2005 - 06:22 PM.

[Half Newb Half Nerfer]

Just to help you, you should read the Code Of Conduct before you post. It will tend to make people take you more seriously and respect your more also. http://nerfhaven.com...?act=boardrules

Welcome to NerfHaven Throwp.
~Halfling

[N3maN]

i dont know what this combustion gun is, but the way your talking it uses gunpowder or something! that is too much!!!!!!!!!

We need Karma CX!!!

The are alot of interesting points in this poll, and a few misunderstandings.

1: Combustion guns do not really have much flame IF ANY 90% of the time. I have used mine a fair bit recently, and it has been very reliable, predictable, and i haven't ever had the slightest thing go wrong (hey, where are my eyebrows? )


2:

a golf course and that where we play

A perfect example of great applications for the gun

3:

or the neighbors calling the cops everytime you set your "firearm" off?

My combustion gun really is no louder than any other nerf gun, it has a little 'whoomp' as the air, gas, and dart escape the barrel, but it hardly mimicks a firearm at all.

4:

there's a gun that shoots 200+ feet, then it shouldn't be used for shots less than 90 feet , a ratio of 1:5 people on a team may have one in use

A perfect example of how one could be SAFELY utilised. Mabey even just one per team, no matter how large. This would add a whole new element to the game where people need to work together more in that they need to call on their one loser for one job, and others for other jobs.

Keep an open mind

N3

[ompa]

3:
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or the neighbors calling the cops everytime you set your "firearm" off?


My combustion gun really is no louder than any other nerf gun, it has a little 'whoomp' as the air, gas, and dart escape the barrel, but it hardly mimicks a firearm at all.

N3man, just to strengthen your arguement a bit here, against non-believers... My friend has a combustion cannon that uses gatorade bottles as ammo, and it's no louder than my homemade nerf gun that uses compressed air. NOR do any flames appear, as most of it is burned very quickly in the chamber anyways, it's the expanding HEATED air that seems to do most of the propelling remember, so it's really not flames everywhere.

~ompa

[AirApache]

I am a witness to that event. It was fucking SWEET.

[Fuse]

Halfie, honestly, do you need to bash him in multiple threads? I think telling him to read the CoC in one thread is enogh, you dont need to trail him all over the boards just to noob bash.

[Pineapple]

Okay fellers, I'll have to take your word for it...

...it's just that my neighbor shoots off his combustion spud launcher every now and then, and it thumps the house every time he fires it off. I think he shoots golf balls...on to the property I manage. I was this >< close to going over with a loaded 12 gauge and "asking" him to cut it out...that it also scares my clients who use this place. Cool head prevailed and now we're at a stalemate of sorts. Without law enforcement intervention...yet.

So it's only my assumption that a combustion gun, Nerf-sized, would render a somewhat less, though still, irritating crack of sorts.

My brother-in-law is now bitten by the Nerf bug (after my son gave his son one of his N-Strike sets) and now he and I have de-bugged my old M 79 Nerf booper, and went from an electronic release to a dual-bleed mechanical release, and the results were incredible. We've got it near the 175' mark with yellow/ purple micros, but even with e-tape to reinforce them, they're popping the purple heads off. Still trying to debug them shooting cut down pool noodles (3" dia. outer barrel, 9/16" copper inner barrel). Point I'm trying to make here is that these two homemades (mine and his newly made twin) make a whole lot more noise than anything I have that shoots Nerf darts.

Heck, if you catch your jollies shooting it off, go ahead. Just don't EVER bring it to my Nerf wars. And probably a lot of other people's wars, from what I see.

Enjoy.

EDIT; by the way, if you haven't guessed, all my homemades, including the M79, are pneumatic (air-powered, for those who don't know what pneumatic means).

-Piney-

Edited by Pineapple, 09 January 2005 - 12:46 AM.

[notorious oxide]

i live in adelaide, australia and i have never been in a nerf war because of the simple fact that there are no good places to go.
but i have found one place, anstys hill in tee tree gully.
its a big place but if you have ranges of 20-30' then your gonna be running after people because they arent going to stand completely still when they see you.
so i have a homemade capable of wel over 100' and im in the making of one that will get over 180' because it would be much more practical.
at long distances at least you have the chance to see where the dart is coming from when you hear it fire and you can dodge it.
so im all for combustion, butyou should still have a low power something with you because it gets prety hot when your shot close up with a spuddie.

[cxwq]

The tongue of flame comment I made was from personal experience with combustion veggie launchers I've built in the past. Nothing quite like blasting an onion a couple hundred meters into the night with a 2 or 3 foot tongue of flame shooting out the barrel behind it. Aquanet. Unscented, please.

Of course I don't condone doing any of the above in a populated area. The last time I used my High Velocity Wildlife Feeder was out in the high desert where the nearest humanoid was miles away.

As for the 'only use it for shots over xx feet' rule, that's all well and good but believe me, in the heat of battle it will be ignored. Again, personal experience but what do I know.

Piney, congrats on getting your brother-in-law in on the action!

[N3maN]

If you get flame out the end of your gun, your putting in to much fuel. And if the Combustion chamber is worked out to be that right size in comparision to the barrel, it wont happen.
N3

[notorious oxide]

but if you dont get the flame you wont get as much power out of it because when it all expands what happens to it after? your not going to have a permanently expanded wad of air in the barrel, it has to go back in and if the projectile is just being released from the barrel when this happens it will get slowed down dramatically (sp?).
i have seen this happen when my friend made his first one because he was using deodorant and it got sucked back into the barrel which was huge.