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[Pineapple]

Okay, it's over.

After we all get it out of our systems, it's time to make America great, no matter if you agree or disagree with the leadership. It can be done; maybe not as we wish, but it can be done. That's the beauty of a democracy.

Like Lemmy said, if it bothers y'all that much, there are no fences keeping us in. We're free to leave; I was thinking more like Canada or Mexico as the options.

The only dilemma; how can we replace the vice-president-elect before January?

-Piney-

[THIRST]

11 'o clock was a sad time in the life of Dave.

Lets make the most out of it people.

THIRST

[Chessler]

Oh My Gosh.

I don't know, should I now wait for the bitter end or should I just jump out of the window?

[Nerfman2222]

Adios, America.

Say goodbye to your economy. To your standard of living and any hope of a nice retirement. Say goodbye to privacy and freedom of speech. Say goodbye to chosing whether or not you are fit to raise a child. Say goodbye to being able to share your love with the person who is most important to you. Say goodbye to seeing your sons and friends any time soon. Say goodbye to freedom and justice, America, because you just slid that dagger right between its ribs.

You forgot one thing say goodbye to world peace and a voluntary army.

[Fuse]

After we all get it out of our systems, it's time to make America great, no matter if you agree or disagree with the leadership. It can be done; maybe not as we wish, but it can be done. That's the beauty of a democracy.

I honestly dont believe that can be done now. Not for at least 4 years. Bush is still pres, and the GOP pretty much owns the government of the United States of America.

You forgot one thing say goodbye to world peace and a voluntary army.

Thats what I was touching on mentioning sons and friends.

[Rutt]

Well I hate to break it to all you pinko lefties, but Kerry has just given the election to Bush.

[ItalionStallion]

Man..Bunch of liderals around here.


Im not going to get involved in a huge political argument, because i could really care less.

All that matters to me is that G F'N DUB WON!!!! Yeeesss.

[Oroku Saki]

Hey, at least Jon Stewart will get 4 more years of good steady material.

I just hope that the opposition to Bush from this election helps him realize that he needs to straighten a few things out in his policies and administration. I have already heard of possible plans to change a few key members of his cabinet. As much as I do not agree with many of Bush's policies, I truly wish him the best in reuniting the country for the better. I intend to see through the next 4 years, and only plan to leave the country if shit gets REALLY bad.

Until then, I intend to start supporting the Libertarian party. I have researched alot about them, and their views actually seem to make sense compared to the Democrat/Republican party system we all hear about. Who's with me on refining the system?

You forgot one thing say goodbye to world peace and a voluntary army.

At this point, I'm not worried about a draft. Both sides oppose it anyways because it would do more harm than good to the military, not to mention fuck up the social and economical balances in the country. If there ever is a draft, I'm just going to hightail it over to my local Air Force recruiter.

Edited by Oroku_Saki, 03 November 2004 - 04:44 PM.

[Diego]

Man..Bunch of liderals around here.

Yeah, i know.


Viva Bush!!



--Diego

[Oroku Saki]

Despite my minor disappointment about Bush winning, I have remained pretty positive about it. Do any of you W supporters have any positive things to say about what may happen in the next 4 years?

[Blaster]

If there ever is a draft, I'm just going to hightail it over to my local Air Force recruiter.

If there's ever a draft you can find me in Canada. This really really sucks. How did Bush actually win this? I mean let's look at the facts

-No weapons of mass destruction
-No use of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam
-No link between Saddam and the Al- Queda
-Bin Laden is still out there
-Kim Jong around the time of Iraq stated that he did in fact have weapons of mass destruction and Bush didn't go after him, however he insisted that we must go after Saddam for the very same reason (which as it turns out Bush was wrong about).
-Bush is about as intelligent as my three year old cousin.
-Bush has put the country into some extreme debt with the war. Future generations will be paying it off, not his.

I seriously have no clue how he won.

[Oroku Saki]

If there ever is a draft, I'm just going to hightail it over to my local Air Force recruiter.

If there's ever a draft you can find me in Canada. This really really sucks. How did Bush actually win this? I mean let's look at the facts

-No weapons of mass destruction
-No use of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam
-No link between Saddam and the Al- Queda
-Bin Laden is still out there
-Kim Jong around the time of Iraq stated that he did in fact have weapons of mass destruction and Bush didn't go after him, however he insisted that we must go after Saddam for the very same reason (which as it turns out Bush was wrong about).
-Bush is about as intelligent as my three year old cousin.
-Bush has put the country into some extreme debt with the war. Future generations will be paying it off, not his.

I seriously have no clue how he won.

Then let's tell Bush to get off his ass and get these problems fixed. After all, he did win the popular vote. Since he most likely did win, we citizens have every right to hold him more accountable for his decisions in the next 4 years.

I figure if things keep turning out for the worst, it's only a matter of time before people start overthrowing the government. Then we can start fresh for a change.....

Edited by Oroku_Saki, 03 November 2004 - 05:04 PM.

[cxwq]

After we all get it out of our systems, it's time to make America great, no matter if you agree or disagree with the leadership. It can be done; maybe not as we wish, but it can be done. That's the beauty of a democracy.

I would generally echo this sentiment but it seems like there is a fundamental shift occurring in the way the US chooses a leader. America was intended to be a 'religion-blind' country, as opposed to an expressly secular (most of Europe) or expressly religious (much of the Middle-East) country. Yesterday the number one deciding factor for people was moral values with 90% of these votes going to Bush.

The interesting thing is that, with the exception of 'moral values', Bush is an atypical Republican and decidedly un-conservative. Trying to amend the constitution, runaway spending, and completely ignoring privacy rights are most decidedly not traditional Republican tactics.

It seems to me that continuing to pretend to be 'religion-blind' is a bit naive considering the evidence. The election was clearly carried yesterday by the Christian Party. The white house and both houses of congress are under the control of this party. Two to three supremes will probably be appointed during the next four years.

While all this seems to be the will of the people and that is The American Way™, rarely has this country seen such an emotional issue divide us nearly in half. I haven't given up all hope, but it seems as if many of these moral issues are relatively intractable. If so, how can America move forward with a consistent lack of clear mandate? How can we avoid the trap of continual bitter disputes over our value differences?

[Fuse]

I seriously have no clue how he won.

He won because Republicans are, and have been, very good at getting middle-American to vote against its own economic interest by presenting issues with little real importance. The Dems really needed to break the GOP hold on the middle to lower-class workers, becuase they continue to stab themselves in the foot time after time.

[Nerfman2222]

If there ever is a draft, I'm just going to hightail it over to my local Air Force recruiter.

If there's ever a draft you can find me in Canada. This really really sucks. How did Bush actually win this? I mean let's look at the facts

-No weapons of mass destruction
-No use of weapons of mass destruction by Saddam
-No link between Saddam and the Al- Queda
-Bin Laden is still out there
-Kim Jong around the time of Iraq stated that he did in fact have weapons of mass destruction and Bush didn't go after him, however he insisted that we must go after Saddam for the very same reason (which as it turns out Bush was wrong about).
-Bush is about as intelligent as my three year old cousin.
-Bush has put the country into some extreme debt with the war. Future generations will be paying it off, not his.

I seriously have no clue how he won.

Well that long list isn't complete without bush's DOMESTIC FLAWS:
-Is against Stem cell research
-Lowered Medicare benefits(or something along that line)
-Banned getting cheaper prescription drugs from Canada
-Loss of tons of jobs(Huge in Ohio yet somehow they still voted bush)
-Biggest deficient in history of America
Now I would like to add to your list of military things.
-Has sent soldiers into war WITH NOT ENOUGH EQUIPMENT
-Were heading twords WWIII at this pace. Were in the second Vietnam but this president won't give up and will anger most of the rest of the world.
-One of his biggest points bush argues is we have had no terrorist attacks after 9/11. Well hold on a second.................. Didn't 9/11 happen under his presidency? That seems like a pretty big to me terrorist attack to me. Think about that just makes me feel unsafe.
OK well keeping on topic of 9/11 and Bin Laden, In the last video released by Bin Laden, He personally thanked George Bush for being such a dumb ass. He said that if Bush had reacted immeditetly after hearing the first tower was hit it, instead of sitting there dumbfounded reading to kindergarners, that it would of been that must harder to pull off the rest of the mission.
Well to some it up, either America has become as stupid as George Bush himself or they were all smoking pot when the voted.

Edited by Nerfman2222, 03 November 2004 - 06:05 PM.

[cxwq]

I'd like to challenge the anti-Bush crowd here to avoid the laundry lists of problems from the last 4 years and focus this thread on what we can do, in your opinions, to fix the system.

I'll challenge the pro-Bush crowd, likewise, to avoid the "pinko lefties" type of bullshit. The least you could do is have the grace to win in a relatively civil manner. You're not helping your cause by pushing the rest of us away.

[Oroku Saki]

Well to some it up, either America has become as stupid as George Bush himself or they were all smoking pot when the voted.

If all of America were smoking pot, I think they would have all voted for Banandrick (sp) or Nader, who are more in favor of legalizing the shit, and save the government money that they are otherwise throwing away on our other noun-based war (besides terrorism)- the war on drugs.

For these election results, I am going with Cx's argument that our country is starting to combine church and state, which shouldn't even be happening to begin with.

The draft rumors may not sway me away from America, but having the country turning into a complete pseudo-Christain state will convince me to move to Canada. At least some people vote based on logic rather than religous beliefs which may or may not be right.

Edited by Oroku_Saki, 03 November 2004 - 06:38 PM.

[Fuse]

I'd like to challenge the anti-Bush crowd here to avoid the laundry lists of problems from the last 4 years and focus this thread on what we can do, in your opinions, to fix the system.

I'll challenge the pro-Bush crowd, likewise, to avoid the "pinko lefties" type of bullshit. The least you could do is have the grace to win in a relatively civil manner. You're not helping your cause by pushing the rest of us away.

I agree with cq here. We all have heard the list a million times, and with Bush entering into a new term I think its time to let some of those things go at this point. Not forget about them, but find something new to talk about whenever the subject comes up. Bush has his second term, and there is nothing we can legally or realistically do about it, so that list isnt going to change a damn thing anymore.

I liked what Kerry said. The country now needs to pull together. Do I want to? No. I dont trust the current adiministration as far as my Commlink will fire. That doesnt change the fact that we are stuck with it. Im disgusted that the GOP now controls the entire government, and that the Supreme Court will likely be expanded to favor the GOP more, but I cant change it. Hell, I live in GA, one of the first states to go red. I never did have a say. But still, we have to do our best to keep Bush from doing such a piss poor job as he did last term. The hope of running him out is past, so its well past time to deal with him.

And just to touch on the draft issue again real fast: There will not be a draft. Bush has said it, Kerry has said it, everyone has said it, and even Bush isnt dumb enough to think it wont get him tarred and feathered. We arent going to have another draft, so drop it. We will continue to have a backdoor draft, where college students are pulled from studys to make good on a contract they signed never expecting the false war that we find ourselves in, but there is no stopping that, and technically they have no reason to complain. They did sign their life and body away, and when and where they are forced to hold to that contract was never a garauntee (For some reason I have no idea how to spell that word right now).

PS: I think the word you guys have been searching for is "theocracy". Welcome to the New America.

Edited by >Fuse<, 03 November 2004 - 06:39 PM.

[Nerfman2222]

Well to some it up, either America has become as stupid as George Bush himself or they were all smoking pot when the voted.

If all of America were smoking pot, I think they would have all voted for Banandrick (sp) or Nader, who are more in favor of legalizing the shit.

Hahahahahaha true.
My mom brought home a copy of the ballot, and upon studying it I saw that Nader was running with one vice president for the republican party and for the peace and justice part with a different vice presidient. What the hell?

[ItalionStallion]

This was brought to my attention and i feel has a direct relation to the people on this board.

-The young crowd(18-24) did not vote. Apparentley 1 out of 10 of them voted for Kerry. Basically, if more young people voted, then maybe things would have been different.

I dont know, i just thought that was a pretty cool statistic that applied to alot of us..


BTW I heared Hillary Clinton is running in 08, all i can say is if you vote for her then you should be shot..=

[cxwq]

BTW I heared Hillary Clinton is running in 08, all i can say is if you vote for her then you should be shot..=

Did you miss the memo where I asked people to stop being such dickwads in this thread?

Nobody knows if she is going to run in '08 at this point. Certainly, some suspect that she might.

The only thing cheering me up today is the thought that I might get to vote for her in 4 years. Give me 12 years of Bush and 12 years of Clinton and we can compare notes in 2012.

[Chrysophylax]

I would really enjoy having Hillary as a president. However, I'll miss the next election by 14 days.

Hail to the queef!

And Fuse? The "And Then They Voted" story? Put that crack out.

EDIT: Perhaps the "Hail to the queef!" is unclear. I'm talking about Dubya. Definitly not Hillary.

Edited by Chrysophylax, 03 November 2004 - 07:26 PM.

[Pineapple]

I'd like to challenge the anti-Bush crowd here to avoid the laundry lists of problems from the last 4 years and focus this thread on what we can do, in your opinions, to fix the system.

I'll challenge the pro-Bush crowd, likewise, to avoid the "pinko lefties" type of bullshit. The least you could do is have the grace to win in a relatively civil manner. You're not helping your cause by pushing the rest of us away.

Just a refresher; for those who may have missed this a page ago.

For those who are either for or against our President; it is now our duty and obligation to hold accountable the leaders whom the voters have chosen. Write them; ask them the questions you have to ask. Work with your men/ women in Congress to express your convictions regarding the issues; unless, of course, you're like me and your congressmen don't want to hear it (I'm a conservative in a decidedly liberal state).

The people have chosen, and while venting is good for the soul, it won't make much difference now. To choose and then to sit back, do nothing, and then let the crap hit the fan; well, now that's a bloody shame.

-Piney-

[Oroku Saki]

The only thing cheering me up today is the thought that I might get to vote for her in 4 years. Give me 12 years of Bush and 12 years of Clinton and we can compare notes in 2012.

Isn't that when the supposed "end of the world" is supposed to happen, according to the Incan and Egyptian calendars? Just kidding.

After this election, I have had enough of the partisan hackery from both sides. Bush won. If you voted for him, enjoy it. If you didn't, you should find ways to help or put up with him. It's not the end of the world. America is still a democracy, and we still have the same potential for change as we did 4 years ago.

[Fuse]

This was brought to my attention and i feel has a direct relation to the people on this board.

-The young crowd(18-24) did not vote. Apparentley 1 out of 10 of them voted for Kerry. Basically, if more young people voted, then maybe things would have been different.

I dont know, i just thought that was a pretty cool statistic that applied to alot of us..


BTW I heared Hillary Clinton is running in 08, all i can say is if you vote for her then you should be shot..=

Yes, the voter turnout in my age group was horrendous. Its more that turnout specifially in states such as Iowa and Ohio that really matters (all the dems in the state could have voted in GA and my vote still wouldnt have mattered), but yeah, the campaigns to get young people out there didnt really have any effect. It rose... by about the same ammount it normally does.

In terms of Clinton in 08, thats yet another reason why I find this election so depressing. Is there even an end to the tunnel for a light to shine on?