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#1 UpGraD3

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 10:48 PM

I was at ebaumsworld today, and found a video I thought would be funny but is actually very intresting and wierd.

http://www.ebaumswor...tagon.html#Main

It may be true, but where did that 757 crash if all those people died? Just a little something to ponder.
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#2 IronRhino

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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:10 PM

http://www.snopes.co...rs/pentagon.htm
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Posted 04 September 2004 - 11:21 PM

Maybe the FBI controls that site ;) . Just kidding, well I learned something today ^_^ .
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 01:53 AM

the french sure do love to be outraged. especially at those dang americans who pump millions of tourist dollars into their economy and have saved them from the germans twice <_<
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 02:37 AM

That second link didn't make too much sense. Plus, I can't trust people who make spelling erorrss.




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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:01 AM

The 757 isn't that big of a jet. It is single isled. I believe the 200 is usually powered by prayton whitney engines which are pretty big. since it is single isle the main frame is not that strong but with the jet gone you would think you would find the huge engines. ???????
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:21 AM

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:46 AM

The 757 isn't that big of a jet. It is single isled. I believe the 200 is usually powered by prayton whitney engines which are pretty big. since it is single isle the main frame is not that strong but with the jet gone you would think you would find the huge engines. ???????

What the fuck are you talking about? Prayton Whitney? It's Pratt and Whitney, fucktard, and the engines that power the '57 aren't that powerful, or large, when compared to other engines. And, since I've recently flown on them, they are not single fucking isle. It's bigger than that.

This is the inside of a '57:

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Definately more than one isle.

Here's the actual plane.

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Look at the engines in comparison to the plane. They're TINY. SMALL. NOT VERY LARGE. I mean, fuck, do some research.

Wanna see what happens when an F-4 gets rocket-launched into a block about 7 feet thick, and 15 feet high, from about 5 feet away?

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The point is that an F-4, not even CARRYING fuel, made that huge explosion in the wall. Imagine a full sized aircraft like a 757 ramming into that wall, with about 5,300 gallons of highly flammable fuel and traveling at about 300 mph. There is no way in hell that the wall of concrete would withstand that force, or the ensuing explosion. A 757 would have probably puntured a few of those walls.

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Edited by Ice Nine, 05 September 2004 - 09:47 AM.

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 10:59 AM

Posted Image There compare that to your 757 image. Mine is a 777. Yours a 757. the 57 is one isle down the plane. The 777 which is dual isle has two isles down the plane.
Are you that stupid? then with the Pratt and whitney I made a simple spelling error. ok? an F-4? as in the F-4 phantom? that plane was from the 50's and 60's. How could tthe terrorist get a hold of something that is only located in museaums or old air force bases. Maybe something like and F-22 or F16 or maybe the F-18 from the navy. Not the F-4! And the engines are not small. They are huge. Have you ever stood 2 feet away from one of them? They are way taller than you. Each flight uses like 1 million dollars af fuel. Those are some huge ass engines. They are right under the 777 and the 747 and probably the 7E7. And it was probably not a military jet. It was probably like a citation or embraer. Dont tell me I dont know what I am doing. I know a hell lot more about airplanes THAN YOU.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 11:33 AM

Know more about airplanes than me? No. IM me, and I'll show a 60 page paper I did on the history of aviation.

The F-4 Phantom picture I posted was a test that the militray conducted. It had nothing to do with the attack on the Pentagon except that I was showing the size of an explosion of a plane much smaller, with no fuel.

It's entirely possible that a terrorist could get ahold of an F-4 Phantom. Many air forces around the world use the F-4 Phantom ICE, which is an F-4 with upgraded stuff, such as improved avionics and weapons systems. They did the same thing with the MiG-21, which, if you know much about aircraft, was the approximate Soviet equivilent, but not as fast, and lighter.

An F-16 or any other modern aircraft would be much harder to come across or aquire than an older aircraft, which doesn't matter as much to the military.

My point about the isle was about the seats, stupid. I'm not talking about walkways.

Ever been to Seatle? I have cousins there. I took a fucking tour of the plant where they make the 747s, 767s, and 777s. They had many comparisons between these newer aircrafts and the older ones, and the GUIDE, who WORKS THERE, said that the '57 has much smaller engines then the newer aircraft.

Ooh, one last point. Ever go to the science fair? I won an award for building a wind tunnel and testing the aerodynamics of differerent shapes. I'm hoping to work for Lockheed as an engineer when I grow up. I know much more than you.

Oh, and as not to stink up the thread, let's now confine it to PMs and IMs.

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How could tthe terrorist get a hold of something that is only located in museaums or old air force bases. Maybe something like and F-22 or F16 or maybe the F-18 from the navy. Not the F-4!


Oh my GOD, you are hilarious. Yes, I am very sure that a terrorist would more likely get an F-22 than an F-4.

I hope you realize that the military isn't even USING the F-22 yet, and it's one of the most advanced aircraft in the world.

You might as well have said that they would have gotten a Northrop Pegasus and an F-35 JSF.

Stupid, stupid man. </edit>

Edited by Ice Nine, 05 September 2004 - 11:39 AM.

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 11:48 AM

Ice is right. The chances of terrists getting hold of a F-22 is slim to nothing. Terrists mostly get there supplies from thousands of remaining weopons and aircraft from the fall of the soviet union. There is proof of this in that the AK-47 (wich was introduced into the military in 1947) is still widely used by the terrists. I would only assume that that their aircraft came from a similar source.

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 12:07 PM

Ever been to Seatle? I have cousins there. I took a fucking tour of the plant where they make the 747s, 767s, and 777s. They had many comparisons between these newer aircrafts and the older ones, and the GUIDE, who WORKS THERE, said that the '57 has much smaller engines then the newer aircraft.

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#13 UpGraD3

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 01:05 PM

Maybe it was a secret plane the Goverment was testing out and it like malfunctioned and crashed into the pentagon. A horrible day still though.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 01:13 PM

I find it funny how some of you are calling each other stupid, yet you use the word "isle" when you really mean "aisle"...unless there are some small islands in planes you're referring to.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 03:13 PM

I find it funny how some of you are calling each other stupid, yet you use the word "isle" when you really mean "aisle"...unless there are some small islands in planes you're referring to.

Very good point.

I was worried that I would spell something wrong when I was calling someone stupid.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 03:58 PM

I didn't mean they could take the planes . Just it would be easier to take them than an F-4. And the engines are still big. Even on a citation or embraer you would still find them. And the term aisle in an airplane is the number of walkways in the airplane. And what newer planes exactly are you talking about? The 757 is the most modern plane of boeing commercial airliners except for the 717 which has engines in the rear. Which are evidently smaller than the 757. Now, chances are the plane that went into the pentagon if it wasn't a 757-200 was a fighter jet of some sort. Perhaps the mig-21 that they purchased after the war from the soviets. Or it was like an MD-80, citation or embraer RJ145 or 170 those could have blown through the wall.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 04:02 PM

Folks I think I Pmed somebody who I didn't want to Pm. It was supposed to go to ice but I think I sent it to somebody else by accident. Sorry
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 05:06 PM

The only fact that gives me a strange feeling is where the hell is the wreck of the plane?
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 05:17 PM

The plane was probably moving so fast and was on fire that when it hit the wall it mixed with all the other debris. this is gonna sound stupid but oh well, the terrorists could have walked through security like they were spies and had fake Id and such then hijacked the plane broke the cockpit glass fired a rocket propelled grenade through it and shot the pentegon. It would have to be a powerful grenade then did a flyby. The jetwash could have pushed the walls in while the grenade put in the hole. Told you really stupid. It could happen though but is extremlely unlikely.

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 05:53 PM

I didnt read this thread because I dont have a lot of time, but a lot of people are thinking a terrorist got hold of a commercial jet near the pentagon, then the US sent out a fighter jet and blew it up. Then the pilot turned a bit and the sun got in his eyes so he was blinded. He was moving towards the ground/pentagon, and when the glare stopped he tried to pull up but it was too late. It hit the pentagon. Gvernment covered it up and payed witneses to keep their mouths shut.

I also heard that the hole in the pentagon is way too smll to be 757, and that it was a good size for a fighter jet.

Now, I have no fucking clue what to believe, but thats just something I've heard.

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 06:00 PM

That makes sense, kinda. But couldn't he have just used his artificial horizon to guide him in the right angle of direction? Unless he had a hydraulic leak and his controls were shot because of it.
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 06:22 PM

Peace, my friends, that is what it is all about! Nobody is a fucktard....it's all about peace...

Actually I only see one aisle on the 757, ice. But other than that...agent007, Shhhhh....

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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:05 PM

It freaked me out... :P
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Posted 05 September 2004 - 09:11 PM

soma is awesome. I don't know much about the subject but found it a little scary. Thirst's thought seems plausable but arent the helmets and all those things extremely covered in UV protection like super sun-glasses, whatever it was nice to post the first thing.
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