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#1 alpha99025

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 10:03 AM

I am currently working on a stryfe build that I plan to use fang motors and maybe hoonigan flywheels. So I started looking at the artifact FWC and was wondering if the gold one (canted) would help make the blaster even more precise since I alr3ady use waffle tips, or should I just stick with the red (straight).
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#2 itsmiir

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 10:14 AM

The main reason normal Elites are so inaccurate are because of their asymmetrical design. Canted flywheels help with this by spinning the dart so that the airhole is constantly on different sides of the dart. Waffle tips are much more symmetrical, and therefore more accurate. However, since they have better symmetry, they're less affected by canted flywheels. You might see a bit of a difference, but not nearly the change you'd see with Elites. If you only plan to use waffles, I'd go for the red as you'll get better grip and therefore a slight boost in ranges over the gold.
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#3 Meaker VI

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Posted 02 October 2017 - 12:57 PM

IIRC there was a post recently showing that a Dr Snikas cage was *slightly* better than a red, but I don't think there's any evidence that a gold is better.

The best ways to achieve accuracy on a flywheel system are wheel balance, sturdy motor mounting, and dart guides. Spin isn't yet shown to really improve accuracy, despite some systems that introduce spin being more accurate that "traditional" methods (ie: DRS cage, which does all of the above *and then also* spins the dart; SCAR/ZLIN barrels which on limited investigation appear to function more because of the porting they provide than the rifling).
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Posted 02 October 2017 - 08:32 PM

Here's the post Nickrarri made with his Snikkas cage and brassed Riot comparison. It's a semi-scientific study on canted versus non canted cages. The wheels were different, but both had brass guides and the same motors. Read his results here. https://www.reddit.c...ts_in_comments/

 

Using a Artifact Gold cage is going to require a brass guide. Otherwise, the darts whirlybird. The Red does not require this guide, it will shoot fine without it. The guide makes both cages achieve better groupings of darts. It's needed on the gold cage though.

 

Waffle darts almost always shoot straight with similar trajectories, so the increase in accuracy tends to be rather minimal. 


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Posted 06 October 2017 - 02:12 AM

In my experience, the artifact gold cage isn't worth two shits. There is a long story behind this one but to simplify it for you, I spent 48usd on a gold cage and some artifact v2 flywheels and as soon as i whent to install them i realised that the flywheels didn't fit in the cage. it only uses v1 artifact wheels, artifact canted metal wheels and worker gen1 wheels. I kinda just shrugged this off and went to install the stock stryfe wheels.

I wired up a circuit with motor breaking and xp180's on 2S and took it out for a spin. As soon as i pressed that rev switch the sweet sweet purr of xp180's with well balanced flywheels and a metal cage flooded my ears. It was a subtle but loud and consistently high pitched sound. I loaded up an 18 dart mag with koosh and fired some off. Little did i know the true effectiveness and consistency the spin it put on the dart was, every single dart that left the blaster piddled out about 2m in front of me before resuming an erratic spinning motion that could only be described as what it would look like if papa-smurf were to attempt to excite the ladies after having one two many drinks at his 60th.

Enough said, the point I'm trying to get across is that this cage is terrible and hardly even usable and you should just go out and purchase yourself an artifact red cage and some hooligan fly-ass wheels and save yourself a whole lot of trouble.
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