Edited by KaneTheMediocre, 08 May 2016 - 12:30 PM.
#1
Posted 07 May 2016 - 04:36 PM
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#2
Posted 07 May 2016 - 10:43 PM
Exactly how soft are these darts in comparison to commonly available (and not so common anymore) alternatives? I'm not asking for any hard numbers, just a qualitative description a little more specific than "softest non OEM dart tip". If you have had experience with them - how do they compare to Pak-D's old stuff? Are they that much softer?
Also, would you be able to post a picture of the dart head without foam? The weight is similar to Pak-D, but I'm curious about the stem length since we all know that the overly long stem of streamline darts made them god awful.
#3
Posted 08 May 2016 - 09:18 AM
These do look pretty "sub-optimal" lol love the word censorship ^ ^. I have been loving my ACC darts, how does the foam on these compare to those? The foam on ACC darts was fairly rigid and not very forgiving to squishing. Are these the same way?
Edited by Birch, 08 May 2016 - 09:20 AM.
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#4
Posted 08 May 2016 - 10:54 AM
Exactly how soft are these darts in comparison to commonly available (and not so common anymore) alternatives? I'm not asking for any hard numbers, just a qualitative description a little more specific than "softest non OEM dart tip". If you have had experience with them - how do they compare to Pak-D's old stuff? Are they that much softer?
Also, would you be able to post a picture of the dart head without foam? The weight is similar to Pak-D, but I'm curious about the stem length since we all know that the overly long stem of streamline darts made them god awful.
The head is about 10X softer than a Pak-D tip in my estimation, maybe 2-3x softer than a Koosh tip and 1/2 as soft as a stock elite (hollow) tip.
No picture right now, but the stem is about the same length as the head, 8mm-ish, or about the same as the stock elite darts.
These do look pretty
"sub-optimal"lol love the word censorship ^ ^. I have been loving my ACC darts, how does the foam on these compare to those? The foam on ACC darts was fairly rigid and not very forgiving to squishing. Are these the same way?
As far as I can tell, length and color are the only difference between these and the ACC darts. Darts flattened in packing seem to easily roll out to round again, but dents are more persistent.
Edited by KaneTheMediocre, 08 May 2016 - 10:56 AM.
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Posted 12 May 2016 - 02:26 PM
#6
Posted 12 May 2016 - 03:44 PM
Is the consistency of the head glue better than that of the ACCs? As in, do any of them leak air/require re-gluing?
I can't speak for the artifact darts but the ACC darts since gen 2 have had much better glue. I ripped one apart and it took real force to do. Also the stem is slightly shorter than gen 1 leading to better weight distribution and better performance.
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#7
Posted 06 July 2016 - 08:05 PM
I just received 1000 of these, white foam with red tips (which is one of the color options on the newest iteration of the TaoBao page). They come in packs of 50, which is pretty nifty for redistributing (I don't plan to do so with any of these I picked up), plus I got an extra bonus dart in the package
Though I could've ordered directly through TaoBao, it appears their international shipping gets aggregated on the 3rd week of every month, so to make sure I could get these darts in a reasonable time, I went through a TaoBao agent (BuyChina in this case).
Timeline:
Jun-16 Order placed and finalized / paid
Jun-20 Taobao agent receives the shipment from Artifact domestically (China)
Jun-21 Shipped from Shanghai on DHL
Jun-26 Arrives in USA via Germany
Jul-1 Arrived on my doorstep
Cost was $42 shipped for these, whereas it would've been around $36 directly with Taobao, so $6 overhead for going through an agent (well worth it if you can't navigate taobao either with Chinese literacy or general ecommerce UI knowledge + google translate).
I've already started doing some testing, although preliminary results seem to indicate shortcomings in the quality of my measuring equipment/methodology than in the darts
Some mass variance results:
https://docs.google....dit?usp=sharing
I did this testing in two chunks separated by a break and it looks like something happened with the humidity in my place (opened some windows, it was raining). Unscientific analysis estimates mass to be between 1.12 and 1.13g (my scale apparently refuses to display 1.13) with 99.97% of darts falling between 1.1 and 1.15g
Edited by Zorns Lemma, 06 July 2016 - 08:11 PM.
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Posted 17 July 2016 - 06:47 PM
I just received 1000 of these, white foam with red tips (which is one of the color options on the newest iteration of the TaoBao page). They come in packs of 50, which is pretty nifty for redistributing (I don't plan to do so with any of these I picked up), plus I got an extra bonus dart in the package
I'm curious if they perform any differently than the pink-bodied ones. I've had lots of success getting them to hopper (variations on your Optimal Y seem to work best, cornstarch not at all) but not so much getting them to fly straight at high speeds. Still hoping for a miracle or design improvement on Artifact's end, this is the closest the community has ever come to a legit source of darts
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Posted 17 July 2016 - 07:25 PM
Can't agree with you more that a lot of potentially amazing darts have gotten so close to being created then just dropped. Artifact himself came on here and posted about new darts that would of if the design worked and the darts were cheap they would be the best and most bought of darts on the market. But then he kinda just went silent and the prototype new ACCS turned out to be not as rubbery as ACCS and sadly about as pricy as the original. I am wondering if you could try to find a way to weigh them down more by using some magical fairy dust or something non metal to fix the not flying straight at high speeds.Still hoping for a miracle or design improvement on Artifact's end, this is the closest the community has ever come to a legit source of darts
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#10
Posted 21 July 2016 - 04:15 PM
ACCs fly better when they do fly, while these darts hopper well and fly like streamlines. Hoping a better barrel combination solves this.
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#11
Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:58 PM
Quick update: Ran through these at APOC. Despite about a week's worth of testing, I alternated between shooting lasers and shooting cheetos.
Based on anecdotal evidence when I was trying to fire them rapidly with pump action no only was my aim off more, but the darts also tended to fishtail. It may be because when I'm aiming I aim up and so there's better initial stabilization thanks to drag forces and gravity.
Also they need a slightly special wye to shoot well, will post that when I get a chance.
However if you're short on time and OK with B/B- dart performance, these can't be beat. Men-gun darts are 25% more expensive ($10 more per 1k), much harder to get to feed, and have to be cut down. Hopefully artifact releases his new version of darts so I can see if stubbier head profiles have better weight distrubtion and flight.
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Posted 15 August 2016 - 08:34 PM
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**DANGER**
I ordered 2000 of these through the same link Kane and Zorn used.. I chose BuyChina.com as my Taobao agent, and I'm very disappointed. The price was definitely excellent, and it was very easy to order, but they shipped me something completely different than what I thought I purchased:
These would probably be better than the Artifacts that the above mentioned received, but they are straight up ROCK MODE. These are basically hot glue domes.
I've tried contacting my BuyChina agents but they haven't responded so I've filed a dispute on PayPal as of a few minutes ago. I guess I'll see what happens and keep people updated.
#13
Posted 16 August 2016 - 02:43 PM
^ Those are FVJs. There is actually a risk of receiving FVJs from almost any seller of 3rd party China darts. Always always drop a note during purchase making sure they are sending you the dart type in the picture, unless you know the seller from previous good buys.
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#14
Posted 17 August 2016 - 06:12 AM
I guess my bitching was effective. I received a full refund last night, which BuyChina said this:
"We have checked ,it was bought correctly .For the colors ,if no special requirement ,then it will be sent randomly . And I noticed you are our new customer,we'd like to provide good service for you in future.Thanks."
I'm not sure they understood why I'm upset with the darts, which I could careless what color they were. Oh well, at least I have my money back to get some more men darts.
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Posted 17 August 2016 - 10:52 AM
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I'm not sure they understood why I'm upset with the darts, which I could careless what color they were. Oh well, at least I have my money back to get some more men darts.
You could always sell them to the Canadians or Australians. They are happy to punch holes in each other.
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#16
Posted 19 August 2016 - 10:36 PM
Oh well, at least I have my money back to get some more men darts.
By men darts, do you mean those KNEX knockoffs that Slug uses? If so how do they hopper/fly for you? I got some and they are kinda shoddy in both those departments.
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Posted 21 August 2016 - 02:28 AM
^ Those are FVJs. There is actually a risk of receiving FVJs from almost any seller of 3rd party China darts. Always always drop a note during purchase making sure they are sending you the dart type in the picture, unless you know the seller from previous good buys.
I used the same taobao link, but instead of going through buychina, I used https://www.taobaoring.com/ . They operate a little differently from buychina and it probably helps a lot for cases like this.
First, you place your order, and pay the cost of the items and local shipping from factory to Taobaoring HQ. Then, they open up your order and take a picture of its contents. You then view the picture, and confirm that it looks OK before they move forward with the transaction and charge China to USA shipping. If something looks wrong and you reject the order from the picture, I don't think you will always get your initial payment back, I think it depends on what taobaoring negotiates with the supplier, but in any case it's better than paying the full amount and not knowing it's all fucked up until you get the package a month later.
This is, of course, somewhat hypothetical to me as each of my 2 orders through taobaoring went smoothly, but I did in fact approve a photo in both cases.
I did pay more through taobaoring, but I did feel a lot more secure that I was getting the correct product, and I did in fact receive the correct product.
#18
Posted 03 December 2016 - 07:18 PM
Does anyone know what's up with the new color options? It just says Package A, Package B, Package C, and A price, and they're 80, 95, 150, and 0.22 Yuan respectively. Are they different quantities?
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