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[arcticajb]

Will mostly harmless arms (MHA) Ammo fire out of a Rainbow pump ??

 

if so witch one of MHA darts are the best

-"Freehand" Silicone Rubber Molded Darts

-Putty-wrapped darts

-Rubber Domes

-A Minor Improvement Over Rubberized Slugs(AMIORS)-

 

[The2ndBluesBro]

Yes. And you are just starting in the hobby, most of these metal free options are more expensive/harder to make than regular Stefans and the sili domes need cornstarch to feed well through hoppers unless made perfectly. Start small and work your way up. Try making glue domes first, then slugs and finally metal free alternatives. Also, most of these types of questions are best answered on the IRC channel or one of the various Facebook groups. So to answer your question, yes they will work and AMIORS are probably the best or the sili domes. You can get cheap sili domes by buying the Bullseyes/ ACCurate darts from china and cutting them down, NH members have reported good results from those.

[C-A 99]

I do not recommend AMIORS nor Putty-wrapped darts. Putty-wrapped darts appear to have very poor aerodynamics, and AMIORS disintegrate easily in the heat. (It's bad enough that they get banned from wars as far as I know.) I haven't worked with Rubber Domes, so I don't know how good they are. The silicone darts are probably the best kind MHA makes, but they do seem to have somewhat limited durability/usage life. They perform better than many slugs though, but they require more work to make.

I recommend what the above post mentioned: ACC's and other "China darts" from eBay with a dome shape can be cut down and the results aren't too bad. Shop around eBay and look for those. The generic suction darts (generally referred to as USC's - Universal Suction Clones) are pretty good too; snip the suction cup and the foam, and they should fly at least as well as low quality slugs.

Also important is your geographical location with respect to how much wind there is. In places with more wind (i.e. not SoCal), slugs with #8 washers are recommended, but you need the right foam for them.

[orangeparkour]

I disagree with the recommendation to make glue domes first, slugs, and then metal free last. Metal free darts, especially silicone domes, can make the hobby a decent amount more friendly, welcoming, and remove anxiety of problems occuring. Of course they all will fire out of Rainbow pumps and I hope you can enjoy the hobby with whatever darts you end up using.

[The2ndBluesBro]

I disagree with the recommendation to make glue domes first, slugs, and then metal free last. Metal free darts, especially silicone domes, can make the hobby a decent amount more friendly, welcoming, and remove anxiety of problems occuring. Of course they all will fire out of Rainbow pumps and I hope you can enjoy the hobby with whatever darts you end up using.

I understand the safety concern but there hasn't been a metal free alternative that is cheap with the exception of the bullseyes (and similar chinese darts). No one has ever been injured more than a bad welt from a glue dome up here in Canada, barring once a few years back at a massacre war due to a poorly made dart with exposed metal, and we Nerf the hardest that I've seen. There were slingshot domes flying at our last war and we were fine. A bit of pain is okay, in my opinion in represents the hardcore status of NIC nerf over stock/superstock. I mean, slingshots are overkill and we are actively trying to phase them out, but as a whole Stefan Mohr (a canadian, by the way) created a pretty much perfect design that was later perfected, and he never thought of metal free. But I don't want this thread to turn into a metal free vs. regular Stefans debate, so I'll stop there.

Edited by The2ndBluesBro, 19 January 2016 - 04:45 PM.

[snakerbot]

I do not recommend AMIORS nor Putty-wrapped darts. Putty-wrapped darts appear to have very poor aerodynamics, and AMIORS disintegrate easily in the heat. (It's bad enough that they get banned from wars as far as I know.)

 

Since when do Amiors have problems with heat?  They're pretty much all we use anymore here in Houston.  Or maybe I should just add this to the list of problems everyone else seems to encounter with Amiors that none of us here have ever seen.  Seriously, I've heard almost nothing but bad things about Amiors since they came out, but they just don't give us trouble.

[Ice Nine]

Yes, any of these ammo types will fire out of a Rainbowpump. If you want to make your own darts, there are many options. Silicone domes offer the best, and very consistent, performance, but they're more difficult to make than other types. You may have better luck buying the darts listed in the China Darts thread started by Cheerios and cutting them down.

 

 

Since when do Amiors have problems with heat?  They're pretty much all we use anymore here in Houston.  Or maybe I should just add this to the list of problems everyone else seems to encounter with Amiors that none of us here have ever seen.  Seriously, I've heard almost nothing but bad things about Amiors since they came out, but they just don't give us trouble.

 

 

My experience is that it's almost all moisture-based problems. I had no problems in dry weather, especially dry heat, but the moment there was a little bit of dew or anything, they just ruined everything.

 

Spoiler

Oh my god.

 

I understand the safety concern but there hasn't been a metal free alternative that is cheap with the exception of the bullseyes (and similar chinese darts).

 

A silicone dome dart, with a head mold (which I believe you could get FOR FREE from Kane and Ryan when you bought their pink foam), costs less in materials than a glue dome dart with a 1/4" steel ball, which is how I made mine (I made this as a memento and I keep it in a film canister in drawer in my work space). They are only expensive if you consider your time to be worth something, but the huge bonus is that are consistently perfect domes, whereas I only ever saw one person who could make domes as well as me in person, and that was Ryan.

 

No one has ever been injured more than a bad welt from a glue dome up here in Canada, barring once a few years back at a massacre war due to a poorly made dart with exposed metal, and we Nerf the hardest that I've seen.

 

Congratulations on your huge sample size. I've known people who have been knocked out by glue tipped darts (see: Falcon) and one dude in Chicago quit NIC wars.

 

This is my favorite dart anecdote besides numerous half-dollar sized bruises I've received from 4Bs and +bows is at a war in SoCal in, I think, 2009. I was using Ryan's AT3K and dome darts like the one above in a four team deathmatch in a school yard. I was at the top of a hill looking down towards a building and I saw a group of people run along its side, probably about seventy feet away. I took aim at Pants and fired and then I heard a huge crack, like the sound a dart makes when it hits concrete. He put his hand up so I asked if it bounced off the wall and hit him and he said no, it just hit him in the knee. It was among the least natural sounds I've ever heard out of a body, and trust me, if you knew what U3 mod parties were like, that would be impressive.

 

Sorry if I'm not super interested in participating in the S&M gay community up north. I'll stick to the one in Pittsburgh where they at least have a sense of humor about it.

 

A bit of pain is okay, in my opinion in represents the hardcore status of NIC nerf over stock/superstock.

 

Welcome back, The 2004 "Paintball Is Better Than Nerf Because It Hurts More, You Pussies" Argument! It's been such a long time that I thought I would never see you again.

 

Before I continue with this dismantling I just want to say that

Stefan Mohr (a canadian, by the way)

is the lamest reach I've ever seen.

 

I mean, slingshots are overkill and we are actively trying to phase them out, but as a whole Stefan Mohr (a canadian, by the way) created a pretty much perfect design that was later perfected, and he never thought of metal free.

 

This is some sound-ass logic right here. I'm sure Elon Musk is rolling over in his hypergrave as this devastating burn you've just delivered to his automobile business.

 

How is "phasing out slingshots" not a denunciation of your whole philosophy? What if I told you there was a dart that was more aerodynamic (i.e. shot further) than slingshot darts and ALSO were safe? What if I told you that was the dart that you get a hate-boner over every time someone mentions it on NerfHaven? 

 

But I don't want this thread to turn into a metal free vs. regular Stefans debate, so I'll stop there.

 

Cool disclaimer. Maybe I shouldn't have put in all this effort, since you already got the last word in about the topic.

Edited by Ice Nine, 19 January 2016 - 09:46 PM.

[Aeromech]

In my experience barrel material is the most important factor in feeding darts

 

Yes the darts will fire out of a rainbow type blaster, it's more than powerful enough, but if a 0.52 DIA dart is fired through a 0.485 DIA barrel, you see how much force must be exerted to push that dart through? It's foam so it's squishy, but it can only squish so much.

 

The barrel setup for ESLT's that MHA silly domes are supposed to fire through is 0.485 DIA CPVC for three inches, then aluminum tube of a much greater DIA, I dont know the exact measurement but greater than 0.500.

 

Barrel material is the most important thing when takling about darts. I use CPVC barrels almost exclusively and I can tell you nothing but the thinnest of darts fire through it, and larger red or beige foam tends to jam it up, but the grey foam and cpvc is very economical even if it limits your dart feeding ability.

Edited by Aeromech, 20 January 2016 - 12:02 AM.

[KaneTheMediocre]

Short answer: Yes.

Long answer: Yes, but really the rubber domes are the best by far.  Cost (for new, completed darts) is the same as the ammo that nerf makes.  

 

Other stuff:
-Putty wrap darts are super easy to make.  Not usually good for hoppers (though some blasters will push them through fine), and definitely not great ammo aside from their ease and safety.  They fly better than you would expect, but that's a low bar.

-AMIORS  Relatively easy to make from kits that I don't even sell anymore.  Some people have had problems with them, but IDK because I never had those problems either.

-"Rubber Domes" are basically the same thing as "Freehand Silicone Dome Darts", but an earlier, sort-of-obselete process.

 

edit- Also the aluminum barrels that we used supposedly had .527 ID, similar to a tight sch80.

Edited by KaneTheMediocre, 24 January 2016 - 06:34 AM.

[Maniacal Coyote]

What's so different about pumpbows?

If a dart will fire out of a hopper on another blaster with a similarly sized plunger tube, it should on a hoppered rainbow pump.

Same for RCSB's, BRiSC's, speed-loaders, and ball-valve-breeches.

"Rainbow" simply indicates the type of catch used.

"Pump" indicates the type of priming method.

Edited by Maniacal Coyote, 22 January 2016 - 08:14 PM.