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#1 Duke Wintermaul

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Posted 19 September 2013 - 11:03 AM

I just have to get this thing operational before the next game of HvZ (probably in a month or two).


Your using a RM Powertain LS in HvZ?

Does your HvZ group have any restrictions on blasters?

This is a bad idea. 'Zombies' will be feet away from you when you 'stun' them, and will be wearing no eye protection. I see a hospital visit in your future, and probably some charges too.
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:03 PM

Your using a RM Powertain LS in HvZ?

Does your HvZ group have any restrictions on blasters?

This is a bad idea. 'Zombies' will be feet away from you when you 'stun' them, and will be wearing no eye protection. I see a hospital visit in your future, and probably some charges too.


yes i am using a LS powertrain kit for HvZ, I use it for long range only 50-100' and have a OMW stage 1+2 recon for within 50 feet. We have restrictions on guns but they are loose enough to where if nobody complains, nobody cares. Our basic rule of thumb is "if you dont mind being shot by your blaster at point blank range, then go for it, but don't be an idiot and aim for the face." we have been messing around with high powered air blasters, angel breached longshots, and singled titans for awhile now and have never had an issue. I see no issues with it if i use common sense. I appreciate the concern though.

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thanks i think we will be going with those for now. any recommendations for adhesive?
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Posted 19 September 2013 - 07:07 PM

Singled Titans? Those are banned in NiC wars fyi.

I would hate to play HvZ with you.
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Posted 22 September 2013 - 07:03 PM

We have restrictions on guns but they are loose enough to where if nobody complains, nobody cares. Our basic rule of thumb is "if you dont mind being shot by your blaster at point blank range, then go for it, but don't be an idiot and aim for the face." we have been messing around with high powered air blasters, angel breached longshots, and singled titans for awhile now and have never had an issue. I see no issues with it if i use common sense.


"Don't aim for the face"? That's a great safety plan as long as you never miss. "Don't be an idiot"? Perhaps that ship has already sailed...
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Posted 22 September 2013 - 07:40 PM

"Don't aim for the face"? That's a great safety plan as long as you never miss. "Don't be an idiot"? Perhaps that ship has already sailed...


hey now, I ain't throwin out insults here, just sayin how our rules are generally laid out here. I am sorry if y'all don't agree with them, but you ain't gotta play here.
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Posted 28 September 2013 - 12:21 PM

hey now, I ain't throwin out insults here, just sayin how our rules are generally laid out here.


Haters gotta hate.

I am sorry if y'all don't agree with them, but you ain't gotta play here.


Correct, but just because I don't play there doesn't mean that your rules don't affect me. There is a consistent pattern to this sort of thing where

1. Person or people are hurt or otherwise adversely affected by the negligent misuse of X
2. Media throws a shitstorm about X, cleverly avoiding the fact that the negligent misuse was at fault rather than X itself
3. Governments and other organizations ban or harmfully regulate X.

My worry here is of course about toy guns, but X has historically included a wide variety of (often more important) things like free speech, guns, privacy, and drugs. It's already difficult to find places near where I live where we are permitted to play by the relevant authorities, and I don't want it to get worse here, there, or anywhere else.

I don't think someone's going to be severely injured by a singled titan hitting them in the torso, even if it uses some of the worst ammo the community has to offer. But you can't throw this kind of thing into an uncontrolled environment (and HvZ is uncontrolled even by nerf combat standards) and know that accidents won't happen. You might get lucky for a while--in fact, you probably will--but the growth of our hobby is continually increasing the likelihood of an accident that has a chilling effect on the hobby nationwide. We need to be more responsible to make sure this doesn't happen.

I'd love to have a flame war about this with you, but I already feel I've dragged this far off topic, and I really have no idea what sort of darts will work with your remedy metals kit. So I apologize for this diversion.

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Edited by KaneTheMediocre, 29 September 2013 - 02:07 AM.

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 06:32 PM

Correct, but just because I don't play there doesn't mean that your rules don't affect me. There is a consistent pattern to this sort of thing where

1. Person or people are hurt or otherwise adversely affected by the negligent misuse of X
2. Media throws a shitstorm about X, cleverly avoiding the fact that the negligent misuse was at fault rather than X itself
3. Governments and other organizations ban or harmfully regulate X.

My worry here is of course about toy guns, but X has historically included a wide variety of (often more important) things like free speech, guns, privacy, and drugs. It's already difficult to find places near where I live where we are permitted to play by the relevant authorities, and I don't want it to get worse here, there, or anywhere else.


I'm going to throw my hat in the ring on this one, because this is a topic worthy of discussion.

I've been playing HvZ for 5 years now in the midwest. I've played multiple times at Penn State, Bowling Green, Ball State, Purdue, Western Michigan, Ohio University (Athens), and in my hometown at Ohio State.

The rules of each of these regions varies wildly; from simple regulations of "Don't be an idiot" to heavy regulation such as socks and completely stock blasters only.

From all of these years of play, there has never been an issue with the power or "danger" of a blaster used during the game. Singled Titans, +Bows, etc. The only issues I have ever run across are those involving the appearance of a blaster, in which case those blasters were either a.) banned or b.) covered in bright tape to mark them as a toy.

Most of the HvZ community is comprised of college-aged players. These players know how to follow rules and act responsibly.

My point in saying all of this? You don't play HvZ and you don't understand how these rules are quite sound in that niche of the nerfing community. I urge you to consider that next time you deem it necessary to flame a user who is simply informing you of his ruleset.
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Posted 28 September 2013 - 06:39 PM

I'm going to throw my hat in the ring on this one, because this is a topic worthy of discussion.

I've been playing HvZ for 5 years now in the midwest. I've played multiple times at Penn State, Bowling Green, Ball State, Purdue, Western Michigan, Ohio University (Athens), and in my hometown at Ohio State.

The rules of each of these regions varies wildly; from simple regulations of "Don't be an idiot" to heavy regulation such as socks and completely stock blasters only.

From all of these years of play, there has never been an issue with the power or "danger" of a blaster used during the game. Singled Titans, +Bows, etc. The only issues I have ever run across are those involving the appearance of a blaster, in which case those blasters were either a.) banned or b.) covered in bright tape to mark them as a toy.

Most of the HvZ community is comprised of college-aged players. These players know how to follow rules and act responsibly.

My point in saying all of this? You don't play HvZ and you don't understand how these rules are quite sound in that niche of the nerfing community. I urge you to consider that next time you deem it necessary to flame a user who is simply informing you of his ruleset.

I understand what you're saying, but Kane brings up a reasonable point, whereas the OP has openly said they don't ban blasters like that. So while you are making a general statement, I believe that in this case, Kane's concerns are not something to be dismissed.

He's not flaming, Kane just always pushes for safety within our hobby and related hobbies. Since when did expressing an opinion becoming flaming?

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 07:37 PM

I'd love to have a flame war about this with you


Blatant sarcasm aside, I have absolutely no problem with expressions of opinion. It's the tone of his responses on issues involving safety and, more generally, his uninformed opinion of HvZ that I have taken issue with.
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Posted 29 September 2013 - 12:38 AM

From all of these years of play, there has never been an issue with the power or "danger" of a blaster used during the game. Singled Titans, +Bows, etc. The only issues I have ever run across are those involving the appearance of a blaster, in which case those blasters were either a.) banned or b.) covered in bright tape to mark them as a toy.

Most of the HvZ community is comprised of college-aged players. These players know how to follow rules and act responsibly.


Quite a few blasters have been banned in my HvZ group, the most minor of which was a spring replaced Rampage. What I'm getting at is, HvZ groups routinely ban blaster for safety issues. Our officer core has the blaster in question tested on themselves from 6-7ft away. If any officer thinks it's too powerful, that blaster is banned. They do this to limit the chance of any injury during play.

The only ammunition allowed is stock nerf darts. No modifications to darts are allowed at all.

HvZ groups, at least the Bowling Green group that i have experience with, take every precaution to limit and regulate blasters and to allow for safe game play free of incident.

IMHO, Washington State University should tighten the shit out of there regulations.
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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:20 PM

Quite a few blasters have been banned in my HvZ group, the most minor of which was a spring replaced Rampage. What I'm getting at is, HvZ groups routinely ban blaster for safety issues. Our officer core has the blaster in question tested on themselves from 6-7ft away. If any officer thinks it's too powerful, that blaster is banned. They do this to limit the chance of any injury during play.


When I was at Bowling Green for their invite last fall they allowed all of us (my faction from OSU) to use modified blasters. They allowed any blaster, as long as it didn't look like a real firearm. I was using a k-26 LS, and my friends were all using upvolted Stryfes/Hailfires. They didn't ban a single blaster, and all of our blasters are far more powerful than a modified Rampage.

The Bowling Green orgs tested our blasters from point blank and approved all of them. They almost approved my +Bow.

I have never seen an injury caused by a modified blaster. Our organizers at OSU have never dealt with an injury caused by a blaster. The only injuries I have ever run across are those caused by melee weapons (which were allowed at Ball State last year and this year), people that tripped, fell or ran into something, or blowguns. Blowguns are far more dangerous than any modified blaster.
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Posted 29 September 2013 - 07:59 PM

Blowguns are far more dangerous than any modified blaster.


Woah, Kane hosted rounds at TWAC where only blowguns were used. He must be riding the edge...
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Posted 29 September 2013 - 08:15 PM

When I was at Bowling Green for their invite last fall they allowed all of us (my faction from OSU) to use modified blasters. They allowed any blaster, as long as it didn't look like a real firearm. I was using a k-26 LS, and my friends were all using upvolted Stryfes/Hailfires. They didn't ban a single blaster, and all of our blasters are far more powerful than a modified Rampage.

The Bowling Green orgs tested our blasters from point blank and approved all of them. They almost approved my +Bow.

I have never seen an injury caused by a modified blaster. Our organizers at OSU have never dealt with an injury caused by a blaster. The only injuries I have ever run across are those caused by melee weapons (which were allowed at Ball State last year and this year), people that tripped, fell or ran into something, or blowguns. Blowguns are far more dangerous than any modified blaster.


Our officer core this year is terrible.

I've known this for quite some time, and this just builds upon that fact. Like i said, my Rampage was banned by our officers. Do you happen to remember the officers that passed your blasters?

They also banned my Pak D darts. Even when using them in a 'passed' blaster, they considered them unacceptable.

I am very dissapointed in our officer core. I plan on running for president next semester, hopefully i can add some NiC flavor to the mix.

Oh, our invitational this year is October 1st. If you plan on showing up, bring some basically stock blasters if you actually want to play. By all means, bring your +bow and all the heavy shit; if for no reason other than the opportunity to pop the officers.
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Posted 29 September 2013 - 08:22 PM

Blowguns are completely safe when playing against people with blasters that shoot as far if not farther than them. One of the number one complaints from the majority of games I've played in is from zombie players that complain about being shot at close ranged by suction cup darts. I have never heard of players complaining about being shot by streamlines, even from singled titans (you can thank OU players for that).

The other reason that they are dangerous is that a human player has to raise a solid piece of PVC (usually a meter in length) to their mouth as zombie players run headlong at them. I think you can see the probability of injury to their teeth or the zombie's eyes.
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Posted 30 September 2013 - 04:09 PM

This thread is awful and you should all feel awful.

I've nerfed in Toronto, Pittsburgh, Chicago and Penn State University. I've been doing it on and off for ten years now. I've seen the aftermath of some really nasty barrel taps, which is why they've been banned in some places. I've seen Talio totally fuck up his ankle in a sinkhole (it swelled up to the size of a grapefruit). I've seen someone de-glove a couple of their fingers by falling down a slide on a jungle gym the wrong way during an attack/defend round. I've seen a couple of nerfers almost knock themselves out slamming into each other around a blind curve, and I've even seen one nerfer completely knock himself unconscious and fracture his skull running into a tree. I have never seen anyone sustain any injury beyond moderate welting from being hit with a nerf dart.

What I have seen is a whole lotta butthurt. Some people don't like to get hit in the face, and will take it personally. Others are sensitive to getting welted up, and prefer to play with little or no pain. A few just don't like getting hit period, and will throw a tantrum when they realize that they are not master chief.

A college campus is like a swirling vortex of butthurt and bad decisions. Personally, if I were running a college HvZ game, I would probably not stray too far from the way Penn State runs their games, although I would probably swap out the 'pain test' for something less subjective. But if you think you can get away with it, it's your call. If the students, faculty and administrators on your campus are so awesome that you can play like that and nobody ever gives you any shit for it, I guess it's practically your duty to take advantage of that. But if anyone ever does get hurt, and somebody sticks a camera in your face, you were never here.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:29 AM

A college campus is like a swirling vortex of butthurt and bad decisions. Personally, if I were running a college HvZ game, I would probably not stray too far from the way Penn State runs their games, although I would probably swap out the 'pain test' for something less subjective. But if you think you can get away with it, it's your call. If the students, faculty and administrators on your campus are so awesome that you can play like that and nobody ever gives you any shit for it, I guess it's practically your duty to take advantage of that. But if anyone ever does get hurt, and somebody sticks a camera in your face, you were never here.


Part of the problem with HvZ is that it does not require eye protection (at least, universally). I've seen people come to some of my HAMNOs minus glasses and they've taken a dart in the eye which made them reconsider their toughness. Plus, not everyone is "hardcore." A big portion of the HvZ crowd is highly casual and reducing pain is a very good idea when it comes to keeping the zombies playing as zombies.

Plus, it's not like a homemade would actually be useful in HvZ--at least, not the way it's played around here. Range means very little when zombies have extremely short respawn timers and rate of fire is absolutely required for a horde.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 06:30 PM

This thread is awful and you should all feel awful.

Thank you so much for creating it.

I have never seen anyone sustain any injury beyond moderate welting from being hit with a nerf dart.

I bled from a hit to the mouth at the very first NIC war I went to. It wasn't a particularly bad wound, and it certainly didn't ruin the war for me. But it was enough that I was afraid to invite my friends to NIC wars.

What I have seen is a whole lotta butthurt.

There's that too.

You don't play HvZ and you don't understand how these rules are quite sound in that niche of the nerfing community. I urge you to consider that next time you deem it necessary to flame a user who is simply informing you of his ruleset.

I know that not shooting people in the face is not a functional rule in any environment. If you have decided that getting hit in the face with something is unacceptable for some reason, be it powerful blasters, poor ammo, lack of eye protection, or the butthurt vortex thing, then you shouldn't have it in play because people miss sometimes. It's an important part of any toy gun game.

The other reason that they {blowguns} are dangerous is that a human player has to raise a solid piece of PVC (usually a meter in length) to their mouth as zombie players run headlong at them. I think you can see the probability of injury to their teeth or the zombie's eyes.

This is a serious problem that I've been fortunate enough never to witness. I've been using vinyl tubing mouthpieces on my breeched blowguns lately to fix that problem, but you can't really do that for a singled blowgun. You could make a pass throught mouthpiece for one, but that does take away some of the magic in buying something from the hardware store that's already an amazing nerf gun.
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 07:21 PM

Wow..... I had NO idea this would turn into this heated of an argument. I am sorry that I caused such an uproar over a question, no sarcasm meant here, I really am sorry that this blew up like this. :unsure:
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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:13 PM

Wow..... I had NO idea this would turn into this heated of an argument. I am sorry that I caused such an uproar over a question, no sarcasm meant here, I really am sorry that this blew up like this. :unsure:

Don't worry it's only a few people who get worked up over this stuff. Which is why it got split and moved to its own thread.

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 09:29 PM

Don't worry it's only a few people who get worked up over this stuff. Which is why it got split and moved to its own thread.


Thanks,I will try not to bring up my school's HvZ practices anymore :rolleyes:
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