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[spacephrawg]

It will fit onto a clipped down Recon stock and has space in side for an extra spring if you want to give your gun a power stock. It is 24cm long, a couple longer than the recon stock, aft of the part that fits onto the back of the gun.

It is based on the stock from the FG42.

It will be CNC'd in walnut and hand-oiled. The goal is to make about ten of these and add them to modified N-strike guns which will have internal mods courtesy of Orange Mod Works. The guns will be repainted with vinyl dye and acrylic. The goal is to approximate this look:




I didn't make it. Its from ~PanzerForge on Deviant art.

I plan to make a few other variations, including one based on the MG42 stock, but less curvy.

The finish will be a dark reddish brown.

I will probably be selling the modified guns on Etsy or at conventions. I'm not the biggest fan of Ebay.

The render is purple only because that's the layer I'm working on and the layers in Rhino are color coded. Its not unlike photoshop in concept.

I need your input and suggestions. This model as you see here is pretty much done however. What I would like to know is if you think it is too curvy. The curve, like I said, is inspired by the FG-42 mk2's stock. It looks pretty darn good on that. I would likely put this stock on a Recon rather than, say, an alpha trooper. For an AT i was thinking of something a bit more like what you'd see on a SAW gun but straighter, with less of a down angle.

I might produce one or two other cosmetic doodads for these guns including iron sights and muzzle brakes. Depending on how much it costs to have them CNC'd or printed that is. I expect the guns would go for around 150 or more. Convention-going nerds are known to shell out big bucks for cool things. That's the hope. If I have to sell for a lot less that's fine but i won't go below 100 USD.

I can post other views of this thing later if you request. I hope you like it!

Edited by spacephrawg, 20 July 2011 - 09:53 AM.

[KitAdrian]

You're new here, so I wanted to give you some advice:

The Mod section isn't about what you plan to do. It's about what you've done.

Don't get me wrong, I think that you have a pretty slick idea there, but you need to actually have a finished product before you make a thread.

[jigglypuff]

Recon looks way too realistic, like getting shot by the cops realistic...

joeri: It dose not matter, it looks like a real gun in any country. I really do not care what he does with his guns, yet he is selling 10 of them to kids around the world. Nerf already is getting bad publicity. All we need now is a kid to get shot...

Edited by jigglypuff, 20 July 2011 - 02:22 PM.

[joeri]

Cool idea CNC-ing a wooden stock, I never would have thought of that.
I have made some custom wooden stocks , but just made with a jig saw and sanding paper.
Oh BTW love t he "StG-44" Recon.

Recon looks way too realistic, like getting shot by the cops realistic...

Maybe he is not from America?

[ScoutsIX3]

Cool idea CNC-ing a wooden stock, I never would have thought of that.
I have made some custom wooden stocks , but just made with a jig saw and sanding paper.
Oh BTW love t he "StG-44" Recon.


Maybe he is not from America?

What does that have to do with it? That blaster looks so much like an AK-47 that it could get you shot just about anywhere. It's an interesting idea, but I think it makes blasters look far to realistic. I'll stick to plastic.

[jigglypuff]

"The goal is to make about ten of these and add them to modified N-strike guns which will have internal mods courtesy of Orange Mod Works. The guns will be repainted with vinyl dye and acrylic. The goal is to approximate this look"...

Hope the kids have fun!!!

[KitAdrian]

Okay, you "too realistic" whiners need to quit already. He already stated that he'd be selling them primarily for Cons/cosplay purposes. Maybe none of you have been to a con where people cosplay or LARP in your lives, and that's great for you, but the reality is that at any of those places there are more realistic weapons than you can shake a stick at. I personally have a pair of pistols that if I pointed it at a cop, I would expect to cease living post-haste. The trick is NOT POINTING THEM AT COPS.

Cops are not going to shoot you just for walking around with a toy gun, no matter how realistic it looks. If they do, they are committing a crime themselves. It's a little thing called Due Process. You know that phrase, "Freeze, Drop the weapon"? Yeah, they are required to say that. And if someone is stupid enough to continue waving around a realistic looking toy gun AFTER a cop says "Freeze, Drop the weapon", then they DESERVE to be shot, thus removing stupid from the gene pool.

And you whiners deserve to be socked in the mouth for being twits, and not understanding the concept of "Props".

[jigglypuff]

I've had enough. I'm out of this argument about realistic colors. I really DO NOT CARE what you paint you're gun. I just wanted to let people know that they resemble AK- 47's. Yet that seems not to be appreciated . Have fun being the next story about " Kids arrested because of nerf guns". My part here is done

Edited by jigglypuff, 20 July 2011 - 07:14 PM.

[Curly]

On a more on-topic note, I think custom stocks are a good idea. While the normal N-Strike stocks seem to be comfy enough for most users, some outside-the-box thinking could make these nice to have in a war. Maybe nesting an air tank or a clip holder in the back would be a good idea, though not so much for a cosplayer like yourself.

This could also transfer to other blasters, as wood stocks are sexy and comfortable. For kicks I might even put a tool compartment in the stock, for field repairs and lubrication.

PS:If you are going for an AK look, or an FG42 for that matter, shorten the Recon barrel.

[nisaburo]

Do you have experience working with a CNC? Make sure that your machine can handle the size of your model. I worry about depth of the plunger cover hole, if your bit isn't long enough you're just going to destroy your model. And your machine.

[spacephrawg]

You're new here, so I wanted to give you some advice:

The Mod section isn't about what you plan to do. It's about what you've done.

Don't get me wrong, I think that you have a pretty slick idea there, but you need to actually have a finished product before you make a thread.

sorry my bad. can the mods transfer this thing to the general nerf forum?

[spacephrawg]

Do you have experience working with a CNC? Make sure that your machine can handle the size of your model. I worry about depth of the plunger cover hole, if your bit isn't long enough you're just going to destroy your model. And your machine.

Good point. I was about to say "i won't be the one machining it" and then I had an idea: cut the model in half on the computer and have the CNC machine just grind out the two halves and then glue them together. Problem solved.

[spacephrawg]

i don't think kids will be the target market. Who would buy a 100+ dollar gun for their kid? Not many people. The uber-rich mabye but not likely. At scifi and anime conventions, cosplayers bring all sorts of airsoft weaponry and get away with it. many also make their own. meanwhile prop-sales are big there. I really doubt it would be a problem. Also I expect most of the clients would be gun and gun look alike law savvy. Me, I never take my factory yellow nerf guns outdoors unless they're concealed. The reason I wanted to have the orange mod works upgrades in these things is to accommodate for the increase in drag caused by the longer barrels, not because I'm looking for the 100ft range.

Over on Foam Universe, my thread about this got shut down because the moderator stated he hated those who like to paint their nerf guns to look real. He said, and I quote: "those [convention-going nerds] should GDIAF" in other words, Go Die in A Fire. Charming, open-minded guy. Most folks i know of who play airsoft are law-conscious and mainly because they want not only to avoid legal drama but because they don't want their expensive guns confiscated. Perhaps I should include a print out of the US laws concerning gun replicas when i sell these things?

I am from the US.

Why would I shorten the barrel to make it look more like an AK or FG42? The FG42 has a really long barrel. Maybe for the AK, it would require a few inches extension but definitely not reduction. There are no real guns that have a blunt end the way the recon's barrel does.


One thing i was thinking of was including a detachable longer than regulation day-glow orange muzzle brake. It would probably add five inches to the gun but would have holes drilled in it so that it didn't create back pressure to slow the dart down. Still, it would probably be best to advise the client not to take it outside.


I'm willing to take suggestions for unrealistic color schemes so long as they still look aesthetically pleasing. Rather than damning the idea, maybe some of you guys could be part of the solution? I'm all ears.

[taerKitty]

Solution: take it to a cosplay forum, or someplace where people give a rat's ass.

[tylertheuncreator]

I would like one of these stocks, I've been looking for a comfortable stock for my alpha trooper, and this looks fucking-A. Just please at least keep the tip orange on your blasters.

Edited by tylertheuncreator, 21 July 2011 - 06:11 PM.

[Danerec]

This is the second wooden stock I've seen for a nerf gun, the first being on Deviant Art:
http://kaaskop.devia...n-mod-197273324

I agree with Curly, custom stocks aren't that bad of an idea. I'm not too interested in the rest of your modifications, as I play on a college campus with my blasters, but I'd definitely be interested in a custom stock.

As for painting nerf guns realistically, I remember reading in a thread somewhere that Stargate: SG 1 or Atlantis used a nerf gun painted black as a prop in one episode...in the right setting, used as a prop, it doesn't cause an issue, but on a forum where the members use their nerf guns in public parks, there're bound to be objections. As you said, at conventions cosplayers get away with hell. The nerf community generally doesn't.

[spacephrawg]

This is the second wooden stock I've seen for a nerf gun, the first being on Deviant Art:
http://kaaskop.devia...n-mod-197273324

I agree with Curly, custom stocks aren't that bad of an idea. I'm not too interested in the rest of your modifications, as I play on a college campus with my blasters, but I'd definitely be interested in a custom stock.

As for painting nerf guns realistically, I remember reading in a thread somewhere that Stargate: SG 1 or Atlantis used a nerf gun painted black as a prop in one episode...in the right setting, used as a prop, it doesn't cause an issue, but on a forum where the members use their nerf guns in public parks, there're bound to be objections. As you said, at conventions cosplayers get away with hell. The nerf community generally doesn't.

thanks everyone for the input. Very valuable! Me, I live in an urban area. I never take my gun outdoors. I'm guessing most people on here go outside? Perhaps a stupid question but I figured i should ask anyhow.

I shall check out some cosplay forums then.

What if it were stained in some bright color that matched the feel of the nerf gun? There's no reason you can't paint a nerf gun to look good artistically and still have it completely unrealistic. Painting a nerf gun black is just silly and uncreative. I saw a powder blue one with nice maroon accents on facebook recently. If the stock was a complementary color, it could work.

That deviant art Deploy can be given points for effort at least.

Here's hoping there are some cosplayers who are keen on in-character nerf combat. If such things don't already exist beyond the realm of padded swords, they should.

[Langley]

Please don't double or triple post. If you have something to add to your reply, edit the post instead of making multiple consecutive posts. Also, we do not allow "idea threads", particularly threads where someone describes what they are planning to do and then asks for subjective, nonspecific feedback. While I appreciate that you put the time in to make a nice CAD model, you still haven't really got much more than an "idea thread" here. And one final note - there are other forums for LARP, HvZ, etc. Talking about them here, or talking about the purely cosmetic (and sometimes realistic) modifications used in those circles isn't against the rules, but it's not exactly on topic for NerfHaven and most of our members aren't really interested.

Aside from that, welcome to NH. I'm looking forward to seeing how these come out when you've made them.

[nisaburo]

Good point. I was about to say "i won't be the one machining it" and then I had an idea: cut the model in half on the computer and have the CNC machine just grind out the two halves and then glue them together. Problem solved.

Not really. Almost any way you spit that into two pieces will have undercuts. Unless you have a really fancy 5 or 6 axis machine it won't be able to cut it. I suggest you tak to the person cutting it for you about what the machine limitations are before you get too deep in th design.

[The lord of fish]

You are definitely over complicating things by using the CNC. Cut the basic shape of the stock out with a bandsaw, use a router to first clean the sides, then use a 3/4" roundover bit on the router to round the edges. Chances are you have a three axis CNC, much like I do. This means you have no way of doing curves or creating pockets at angles like you need in your CAD/rhino drawing. Those pockets appear to be perfectly cylindrical, so it seems like you could get away with just using some forstner bits on a drill press.

I'd be really surprised if you have access to a CNC, but not a bandsaw or router or drill press.

As for the whole realism part, as long as you don't ever take it outside then it doesn't matter. I've never been to comicon/cosplay, but thats a suitable place to bring prop weapons so its fine. People don't take kindly to realistic nerf blasters, because turning toys into things that could potentially get you shot by the police goes against the spirit of having fun here.

[KitAdrian]

People don't take kindly to realistic nerf blasters, because turning toys into things that could potentially get you shot by the police goes against the spirit of having fun here.

For fucks sake...

"Things that could potentially get you shot" are not "things" in and of themselves. They are the actions performed with certain things.

I could carry a shotgun around on my shoulder downtown, real and loaded, and not ever worry about being shot by the police. I could be questioned by the police, and would likely expect that, but I would never ever ever be outright shot on sight for carrying it.

However, I have been involved in independent film shoots, one where a woman is chased through alleys by a man on a motorcycle with a katana, within spitting distance of a police station, and we were not hassled ONCE. (and no, we had not given them notice that we would be filming there)

You paranoid idiots need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize that unless you are pointing a realistic firearm AT a police officer, you are not ever ever ever going to be shot by one. Will a realistic blaster get you hassled? Maybe, probably. Shot? Never.

Every time I see a post hassling some poor newb about painting his gun black, or making it look too realistic, I want to reach through the internet and punch the person typing it, because they have no damn clue what they are talking about. Your realistic blaster will not ever get you shot unless you are being truly stupid with it (robbing banks/stores, or pointing it at cops/random strangers). And again, if you are stupid enough to do something that warrants you getting shot with your realistic blaster, it makes for a cleaner gene pool, and I'll applaud your entry into the Darwin Awards.

[Zorns Lemma]

A bunch of irrelevant stuff in an attempt to sound important

This is a forum for people who want to go into a park with toys and fling foam at each other in a rather elaborate game of tag. While being "shot" might be an exaggeration any action which increases the risk of police disrupting the fun we would otherwise have in running around a park playing tag is obviously extremely erotic.

Get that buttplug out of your asshole and maybe you'll stop being distracted enough to realize what the spirit of nerf is around here.

[Langley]

There have been instances where nerfers were shut down by an asshole equipped with only a cell phone and the same belligerent self-righteous fury exhibited by the two brain trusts above me.

Yes, you run the risk of getting shot if you're using a realistic nerf gun. If you happen to be an ethnic minority and your nerf war is in a liquor store, that possibility might even register before the fifth decimal place. But nerfers have been banned from schools and parks, and this community has gotten more negative media attention for less. So use your fucking brain.

I don't expect to see any more arguing over realistic nerf guns in this thread.

Edit: Zorn snuck in there before I finished my post, so no ire directed at him. In fact, I think Zorn may have been around during one of the aforementioned shitstorms when the U of Cincinnati nerf club got shut down because a couple of guys in full cammo and black painted blasters were acting like assholes. If not I'm sure Twitch was around.

[T3K]

CNC'ing this would be the biggest waste... I can hook you up with somewhere that will prolly make them for somewhat of a reasonable price (definately better than the operating costs of a CNC) depending on the amount ordered. I mean what is your estimated cost so far?

[spacephrawg]

Ok i've been reading what everyone is posting and thinking hard about it and i want to thank everyone for your input.

I had an idea after looking at a closeup of the wooden grip of a real steel AK 47. The darn thing is made of many many thin layers and is then sanded. There are prototyping services that have good rates for laser-cutting thin pieces of wood based on computer files and even line drawings. I could do the finishing work myself. Costs would be drastically cut. What do you think?

As for the risk of getting the hobby shut down by bad PR, I've been thinking hard about that all I can say is I'm on the fence. I value what you have to say. When I follow political issues, one of the things I follow is how well or not the various sides of the argument are able to manage how they come off the majority, that is, those who are undecided. The analogous group in this case is anyone in society who follows local news and hears bad press about nerf wars.

The public image wars are the most interesting, really.

Well I tell you, ten of these things I'll make won't turn the world's parents against us. Remember total production would be a really small number. Maybe 30 at most. Depends what I have patience for.

Side note: one thing i was thinking of doing was painting up a modified and stock-added gun in shades of gray-blue and the stock would be stained accordingly. The result would look like it was right out of Appleseed or something.

Maybe, should I sell a few wooden stocks as individual pieces, I should show them in promo shots affixed to unpainted nerf guns? A black stock on a yellow gun isn't going to bring the riot police. What do you think?