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[Vintage]

I would like everyone to respond to this one. It would be very interesting to see the percentages of the different parties.

Just choose the catagory that best matches your political standing.

I understand there are so many "Others" out there so if you want to be specific, please do so.

(My apologies if this poll has been done before. I ran a search, but nothing came up.)

~Vintage

[Black Wrath]

First off, I don't know who those people are, what parties those are, who represents them... and why there are only two.

I'm sorry, but not everyone can vote, we aren't all American citizens on this forum.

If you did a better search... you'd find that politics don't go over very well in this forum, nor do they go over well anywhere.

"If you want to befriend a man, the two things you don't talk about are religion and politics."

I'm Canadian, so I don't understand American politics... other than Bush has fucked over my world for me, and my children. If this all continues, the world will never be a better place. There can be no war to end wars... that's common logic, and ethic. If you go to war, someone will disagree and go to war afterwards... it is a sick circle of blood.

Fucking human nature pisses me off.

[Vintage]

I am sorry Wrath. Since I AM an American citizen, I was not taking into account Canadians. I suppose since Democrats are generally liberal, and Republicans are generally conservative, vote according to that.

If you are liberal, vote Democrat for simplicity.

If you are conservative, vote Republican for simplicity.

If you are an American citizen and are neither, vote Other.

If you don't understand what being liberal or conservative means, DON'T VOTE.

~Vintage

Edit:

If you did a better search... you'd find that politics don't go over very well in this forum, nor do they go over well anywhere.

Politics are fine. Giving different views on an issue is what America is all about. We have the freedom to give our opinion on almost anything! It is when arguments become name-calling, flaming, and useless ranting that makes debating politics not "go over well."

If you intend to degrade me by your comments, then I think you should stay away from politics. Post in the Nerf-related topics. This poll is not meant to stir up any hatred of any kind. If you wish not to vote, please don't start laying into me as to why.

~Vintage

Edited by Vintage, 27 April 2004 - 01:24 PM.

[cxwq]

Liberal and Conservative mean completely different things outside this country. There is no way to describe to a foreigner what the Dem and Repub parties stand for without fully enumerating their platforms - something even the candidates have trouble with.

Historically at least, the nerf community has been Republican leaning. Probably largely due to the party differences on gun control and the fact that this sport is more or less seen as 'guns for kids'.

Edit: Some countries do use the terms "Liberal" and "Conservative", just in a different way than in the US.

[Vintage]

Really? You mean "Liberal" and "Conservative" are not used in Canada? I didn't know that. And no, I will not attempt to describe either platform.

Thanks for the info cxwq.

~Vintage

[Hunter]

Liberal and Conservative ARE in Canada. Then again, Canada's politics are alot more... slack. We do whatever the hell the United Nations tell us to do. We even have TV shows (This Hour has 22 Minutes / Royal Canadian Air Farce) that make fun of Canadian politics. Canada's politics are so slack that people from the shows interview the Prime Minister with questions like: "Do you realize how fucking stupid you are, sir?' and "If I was wearing an Air Canada name tag, would you give me some money, too?" The best thing is that the politicians play along. When asked "Sir, are you involved in any love affairs that This Hour Has 22 Minutes can reveal to the public?" he winked at Mary Walsh (the interviewer) and did a pelvic thrust in her direction. She then hugged him and put her leg up on him in a sexual fashion. Canada's politics are slack, and are only there for our entertainment.

[Formerly Sane]

I accidently hit the null vote button, but my political view is kind of wierd. I'm not really old enough to vote, but I tend to lean toward the democrats. Also, I'm surprised that most of the nerf community is republican. In the bush space plans topic, it seemed like there were only 2 or 3 republicans. I guess only those who spoke up were those who wished to oppose, being dems so I might have gotten a false assumption.

Canada's politics are slack, and are only there for our entertainment.

Sometimes I think American politics are like that too. As for dealing with the UN, Bush does the opposite. Then americans wonder why people over seas are holding signs saying Down with USA and burning flags. I hate when the president makes people hate me.

What was it George Washington said when he left office? Something like "I warn you of two things. Never form political parties and stay out of foreign affairs."

Edited by Formerly Sane, 28 April 2004 - 04:20 PM.

[cxwq]

I think perhaps Bush has made a lot of people unwilling to admit they are Republican.

I'm socially very liberal, fiscally moderately liberal. Overall not too far left of center. I could honestly see myself voting for a Republican candidate if they seemed like a good fit for the country. That said, the current administration has me saying anyone but Bush.

[Vintage]

Also, I'm surprised that most of the nerf community is republican.

We tote guns.

Sometimes I think American politics are like that too.  As for dealing with the UN, Bush does the opposite.  Then americans wonder why people over seas are holding signs saying Down with USA and burning flags.  I hate when the president makes people hate me.

What was it George Washington said when he left office?  Something like "I warn you of two things.  Never form political parties and stay out of foreign affairs."

People will always hate the USA. As a leader in world of democratic freedom, we make the dictatorships look bad.

And don't take the insults of flag-burners personally. Those who show their dislike of a foreign leader by burning his flag are not going about their demonstrations in their best interests. "Hey mommy, who is that nut on the tv burning our flag?"

[cxwq]

We tote guns.

I'd really be scared if only the Republicans had guns.

People will always hate the USA.  As a leader in world of democratic freedom, we make the dictatorships look bad.

If that were the case then only the dictators themselves would hate us. Do you really believe that everyone dislikes us because we have freedom?

The people of Spain, France, and England (to name a few) have all made it quite clear that they are pissed off about current US policies. This despite us having earned the entire non-terrorist world's sympathy after 9/11. Are these dictatorships that we're making look bad or are they free people with more honest news sources than we have?

[UpGraD3]

My family isnt democratic or republican, we just go with who we thinks best. I don't get why some people always vote for a democrat or always vote for a republican. My parents just vote on who they think would make the best president.

[Vintage]

People will always hate the USA. As a leader in world of democratic freedom, we make the dictatorships look bad.

If that were the case then only the dictators themselves would hate us. Do you really believe that everyone dislikes us because we have freedom?

No, and that is not what my statement implied. I meant that there will always be people who hate the US because their government hates us. People like the Iraqi insurgents were very loyal to Sadaam's regime. They attack us, because they hate our influence on their way of life.

I did not mean that all, or even most, people hate us for our freedoms.

And don't take the insults of flag-burners personally. Those who show their dislike of a foreign leader by burning his flag are not going about their demonstrations in their best interests. "Hey mommy, who is that nut on the tv burning our flag?"

That was a quote on the other half of my post. Most do hate us for our leader. That is why we see flag-burnings in places like France.

Are these dictatorships that we're making look bad or are they free people with more honest news sources than we have?

Do they have more honest news sources? Or do the people view the news with different opinions, much like you and I do? Also, you make it sound like Spain, France, and England all dislike Bush. That's the same as saying the US dislikes Bush, because we have flag-burners on our shores.

~Vintage

Edit: My gun statement was merely for humor. I have yet to meet a proclaimed democrat who believes Americans should not the right to bear arms infringed upon.

Edited by Vintage, 28 April 2004 - 05:47 PM.

[merlinski]

Do they have more honest news sources? Or do the people view the news with different opinions, much like you and I do? Also, you make it sound like Spain, France, and England all dislike Bush. That's the same as saying the US dislikes Bush, because we have flag-burners on our shores.

Actually, considering that the leaders of France and Spain won their elections based on anti-Bush platforms, I think its safe to say they don't like him.

[Stefan]

Canada's political system is rather complex and intriguing.
It's also exactly the same as the ones found in countries such as the USA, England, Australia, Mexico, Norway, and Russia.

It goes something like this:

Some weasel fuck gets into a political party because he or his dad or both are rich white lawyers.

Previously mentioned weasel white fuck says whatever he thinks will make him popular with the crowd he is currently talking before. Promises, pledges, etc.

Weasel fuck manages to convince enough of the stupid sheep in the nation that he's (yes, he, the rich white boy) is an honest, hard-working man who cares about previously-mentioned stupid sheep.

Stupid sheep elect rich white boy.

Rich white boy proceeds to do whatever the fuck he wants because he can and because he's incompetent so might as well have fun.

Public polls let white boy know how good his PR people are at covering up and distracting people from his idiocy.

The world keeps spinning and the moon keeps not spinning. Gotta admire that.


(For those who were wondering, I don't vote anymore. When I do, it'll be for the guy who hates every phony liberal, conservative, vegan, conservationist... Damn. The phone rang and I lost my rant. Talk amongst yourselves)

[cxwq]

Damn. The phone rang and I lost my rant.

Which political party had their drones calling you for donations?

[Vintage]

Stefan, how many candidates do you usually have running against each other?

~Vintage

[Jappo]

We don't. We have the liberals. They win because the country believes false promises.

Sometimes we get some other people by fluke, but liberals have been running things for a long time.

As for me i'm far left wing socialist, possibly bordering on communism . If communism worked it would be the best government, but because of human nature, it doesn't. So there for I'm a socialist at heart.

Edit:
Candidates: Liberals, Conservatives, and some other small time people (Blok-Quebec, Green Party, i'm sure there is more but who cares about them).

Edited by Jappo, 01 May 2004 - 08:13 PM.

[Hunter]

Candidates: Liberals, Conservatives, and some other small time people (Blok-Quebec, Green Party, i'm sure there is more but who cares about them).

And that party that is only interested in legalizing marijuana.

[ZATZAi]

We don't. We have the liberals. They win because the country believes false promises.

Sometimes we get some other people by fluke, but liberals have been running things for a long time.

Heh, sounds like Santa Monica California, USA. Or even California by and large...

[TimberwolfCY]

Wow. Way to bring up an old thread...

Just to stay relavent, I don't go with any party. I think the "2-party system" is pure and utter bullshit. If I vote, its for someone I truly think will make a difference. Otherwise, I don't vote at all, because I frankly think its not worth it. There are too many fools out there voting on a whim, and as a result we get horrendously corrupt organizations running the country. Enter "Revolt of the Masses". It might be one thing, if I were in Germany and their were 5 or 6 different parties, but here, its really "Snake or Monkey," and that's about it. Oh sure, we have the Liberals and Independants, but anyone who thinks they ever have any shot or impact is a fool, and so is anyone who would cite them against my argument. The truth is, I think few people think for themselves, so they go with whatever mass is closest to them and has the biggest (read: forceful by numbers and repetition) impact on them.

Sorry bout that. Just my 2C.

[Evil]

I'm Canadian, so I don't understand American politics... other than Bush has fucked over my world for me, and my children. If this all continues, the world will never be a better place. There can be no war to end wars... that's common logic, and ethic. If you go to war, someone will disagree and go to war afterwards... it is a sick circle of blood.

Coming from a guy that just said he has no idea about American politics, that's definitely a sharp statement to direct at anyone, Bush or not.

And if war is a circle, to which you are opposed, then what is your suggestion? Appeasement?

I'm pretty sure a lot of people already know (Merl) that I'm a conservative. And I'm aware that most young people are not. That's just the way it is.

And I believe that many nations around the world do dislike America for it's leadership. Bush is not Clinton, he does not kiss ass. He talks tough, unlike Clinton. And he's called many nations what they are, and in some cases has referred to some as "evil". And I'm okay with that.

I believe, though I could be wrong, that Bush has been crucified by liberal platforms both domestic and foreign, because he is the parellel of everything right now that Europe stands for. He's a person with strong convictions. He's a person who is okay with the death penalty. He's a person that likes to look at the world black and white.

Oh, and let's just get something out of the way, we're not losing the war in Iraq. Unlike what CNN, the NY Times, and the LA times want you to think, we're winning the war and the peace.

There's some things I don't agree with Bush on (I'm pro-gay marriage/civil unions), but right now the economy and the GDP are growing momentum and are getting stronger. And he's everything Kerry isn't, which helps my vote currently.

*Now now, things could change, and I might not even vote this November. But right now I'm probably going to vote for Bush - unless something drastic happens. Until then I'm going to just keep up to date.

Edited by Evil, 29 May 2004 - 05:27 PM.

[merlinski]

And I believe that many nations around the world do dislike America for it's leadership. Bush is not Clinton, he does not kiss ass. He talks tough, unlike Clinton. And he's called many nations what they are, and in some cases has referred to some as "evil". And I'm okay with that.

I believe, though I could be wrong, that Bush has been crucified by liberal platforms both domestic and foreign, because he is the parellel of everything right now that Europe stands for. He's a person with strong convictions. He's a person who is okay with the death penalty. He's a person that likes to look at the world black and white.

Oh, and let's just get something out of the way, we're not losing the war in Iraq. Unlike what CNN, the NY Times, and the LA times want you to think, we're winning the war and the peace.

I suppose, if you think that Clinton kissed ass, you think that being cordial to a nation that disagrees with you is "kissing ass"? Or that peace is for "ass-kissers"? Clinton understood that foreign relations rely on being diplomatic. He got the wars he thought were necessary, and he didn't alienate 75% (or more) of the world when he did so.

Bush has been criticized by Europe mainly because he takes action that they disagree with, and at the same time doesn't respect their opinions. I doubt that most of Europe's hatred of him comes from the death penalty, that's just not as much of a hot-button issue. And I personally think that looking at the world in black and white is just being ignorant of the gray zones because you can't deal with an ambiguous issue.

Please don't tell me that you believe there's actually a liberal bias in the media. This is a big enough argument on its own, I'm starting a new topic for it right now.

[Evil]

There's plenty of bias, conservative and liberal, and that problem is now greater than ever with executives and industries running news outlets, controlling what you and I hear, read and see.

Europe also isn't a big fan of the Bush administration because they don't share the same anger towards Israel. For as long as Europe's been around they've been anti-semetic, and currently are a secondary focal point of anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian sentiment. The first being the middle east itself.

Edited by Evil, 31 May 2004 - 07:26 PM.

[merlinski]

Europe also isn't a big fan of the Bush administration because they don't share the same anger towards Israel. For as long as Europe's been around they've been anti-semetic, and currently are a secondary focal point of anti-Israel and pro-Palestinian sentiment. The first being the middle east itself.

There's a difference between being anit-Israel and not being afraid to criticize them. Israel and Palestine are equal participants in the conflict, and it's not the one-sided moral conflict that Bush likes to believe.

Being neutral in a conflict isn't anti-Semitic. It's treating both sides equally. Supporting a side primarily because it doesn't speak Arabic is anti-Semitic.

[cxwq]

[Bush is] a person that likes to look at the world black and white.

Sorry, I don't have the time or desire to join this thread in any substantive manner but I just wanted to comment on this.

It seems to me that you've encapsulated the entirety of why I feel the current administration is not suited to lead our country. I agree with you and it scares the hell out of me. Doesn't everyone come to a point sometime when they are a teen where they reach the conclusion that the world isn't the neat and orderly, black and white place that their parents told them it is? I think it's the appreciation of these 'shades of gray' that prepares a person to understand the views of other people... or countries... or religions.

The only exception I can think of is the religious zealots he portrays the enemy as. Perhaps he's just projecting his own dualistic views.