#1
Posted 17 January 2011 - 10:26 PM
Has anyone else experienced this? Can anyone help me? I've never made one before, so I have no previous experience as to how they normally function.
#2
Posted 17 January 2011 - 11:24 PM
#3
Posted 18 January 2011 - 12:30 AM
I forgot to mention before that I also have a titan tank attached the the air system. The hosing is colored, and I used different colors for each hose so you wouldn't confuse them with each other. I intend to put a check valve in the red colored hose for the larger tank, but I didn't think that not having it installed would prevent me from doing my testing. But now I'm thinking it might have something to do with my problem, but I'm not sure.
Edited by Banshee, 18 January 2011 - 12:31 AM.
#4
Posted 18 January 2011 - 12:55 AM
#5
Posted 18 January 2011 - 01:48 AM
The only way around that is to put check valves in the Hornet tanks. However, I don't see any room in my current setup for that. The blast valve and the tanks need to be post check valve for that to work. So I would have to redesign everything. Correct?
#6
Posted 18 January 2011 - 02:22 AM
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#7
Posted 18 January 2011 - 03:29 AM
Basically what all this means is that if you put the check valve in it should work great.
The tanks are fine, no worries (actually, since they are back pressure tanks they are more than fine; they are AWESOME.)
EDIT:
After looking at what you're trying to accomplish, I have a better solution. Take the pump, and create two outlets for it. Attach check valves to both of those outlets, and then attach the titan tank to one outlet, and the hornet system to the other. You will be able to fire both tanks separately, or just fire one and re prime it, while keeping the other system primed at all times. This is kind of similar to my "scrappy" build but... with the insanity of a Titan tank.
Good luck on this, i look forward to seeing the result.
Edited by Boot, 18 January 2011 - 03:34 AM.
#8
Posted 18 January 2011 - 03:48 AM
That is exactly what the tee coming from the pump does. If you hook a check valve to each "leg" of the tee, you can achieve the same effect, as stated in my previous post.After looking at what you're trying to accomplish, I have a better solution. Take the pump, and create two outlets for it. Attach check valves to both of those outlets, and then attach the titan tank to one outlet, and the hornet system to the other. You will be able to fire both tanks separately, or just fire one and re prime it, while keeping the other system primed at all times. This is kind of similar to my "scrappy" build but... with the insanity of a Titan tank.
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#9
Posted 18 January 2011 - 03:55 AM
That is exactly what the tee coming from the pump does. If you hook a check valve to each "leg" of the tee, you can achieve the same effect, as stated in my previous post.
Oh ok, I didn't really understand the post because I couldn't get the diagram to load (it's probably hosted on a site blocked in China ).
I certainly know what a tee does, I think think that is the most valid solution although a single check valve setup would also work if you used one set of tanks as a secondary shot, and mainly just used the Titan tank as a primary shot (or visa versa).
#10
Posted 18 January 2011 - 04:14 AM
Sorry, I constantly forget about the "Great Firewall of China," despite the fact that I just did a project for school about Net Neutrality in China.Oh ok, I didn't really understand the post because I couldn't get the diagram to load (it's probably hosted on a site blocked in China ).
I certainly know what a tee does, I think think that is the most valid solution although a single check valve setup would also work if you used one set of tanks as a secondary shot, and mainly just used the Titan tank as a primary shot (or visa versa).
A single check valve could work, however, it is definitely not the most efficient method of solving this problem.
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#11
Posted 18 January 2011 - 05:16 AM
If you aren't willing to do that, as your above post infers, then I'm not sure why you came here to ask advice, quite frankly. It's the easiest way to fix what needs fixing.
#12
Posted 18 January 2011 - 07:22 AM
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#13
Posted 18 January 2011 - 09:38 AM
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#14
Posted 18 January 2011 - 11:30 AM
Thanks for your help guys, I'll let you all know how it goes. By the way, anyone know where to get check valves? Local hardware stores don't seem to have them.
#15
Posted 18 January 2011 - 02:10 PM
Well I've basically concluded that I'm going to drop in two check valves because I like the idea of being able to fire both guns completely independent of each other and being able to leave one pressurized at all times. It'd be nice to leave a shotgun blast in the Titan primed and ready and use the Hornet tanks as a primary gun and when needed, unleash havoc with the Titan.
Thanks for your help guys, I'll let you all know how it goes. By the way, anyone know where to get check valves? Local hardware stores don't seem to have them.
Hornets have them inside of them, they are easy enough to scrap out and attach tubing too. I think there is a way to make them using ball bearings and tubing as well, and I'm sure you can find some available for purchase if you look around online.
#16
Posted 18 January 2011 - 02:40 PM
I'd have to take you at your word on that, but if there were check valves inside the tanks, then how is the blast button going to work? The check valve needs to be before the blast button and the tanks. Either way I'm going to do what was suggested which is basically branch the tubing off into two directions, each with their own check valve.Well I've basically concluded that I'm going to drop in two check valves because I like the idea of being able to fire both guns completely independent of each other and being able to leave one pressurized at all times. It'd be nice to leave a shotgun blast in the Titan primed and ready and use the Hornet tanks as a primary gun and when needed, unleash havoc with the Titan.
Thanks for your help guys, I'll let you all know how it goes. By the way, anyone know where to get check valves? Local hardware stores don't seem to have them.
Hornets have them inside of them, they are easy enough to scrap out and attach tubing too. I think there is a way to make them using ball bearings and tubing as well, and I'm sure you can find some available for purchase if you look around online.
I was hoping someone could save me the hassle of finding out the hard way and send me a link to a check valve that will operate at the right pressure that fits on 3/16 ID-5/16 OD tubing. I don't know much about pressure systems and I just don't want to get the wrong thing, especially when I have to order it.
#17
Posted 18 January 2011 - 02:49 PM
#18
Posted 18 January 2011 - 06:55 PM
I'd have to take you at your word on that, but if there were check valves inside the tanks, then how is the blast button going to work? The check valve needs to be before the blast button and the tanks. Either way I'm going to do what was suggested which is basically branch the tubing off into two directions, each with their own check valve.Hornets have them inside of them, they are easy enough to scrap out and attach tubing too. I think there is a way to make them using ball bearings and tubing as well, and I'm sure you can find some available for purchase if you look around online.
I was hoping someone could save me the hassle of finding out the hard way and send me a link to a check valve that will operate at the right pressure that fits on 3/16 ID-5/16 OD tubing. I don't know much about pressure systems and I just don't want to get the wrong thing, especially when I have to order it.
When Blue said Hornet, he meant the whole blaster, not the tanks. Common sence should have helped you with that one, obviously there is not check valves in the tanks themselves.
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#19
Posted 18 January 2011 - 06:56 PM
#20
Posted 19 January 2011 - 12:51 AM
Is there a good way to effectively fire 2 hornet tanks with one blast button without loosing too much range?
Maybe there's no Mcmaster, but you could make the first coconut airtank.
#21
Posted 19 January 2011 - 02:13 PM
Check out the second post in this thread. There inst much detail about it but its pretty straight forward and I'm sure you could make something like that. Plus its all but inline with the tube so it wouldn't take up much space.
Is there a good way to effectively fire 2 hornet tanks with one blast button without loosing too much range?
The tanks should not loose range just from having two of them hooked up, assuming you keep the lines between the tanks and the blast button as short as possible. Also worth considering is modifying the fill/vent nozzle on the tanks to be wider, and use a wider ID tubing, as this would allow for faster venting though it would require a lot more work. Remember, the pilot volume of the tank needs to vent as quickly as possible in order for the piston to "snap" back and fire effectively, otherwise your chamber volume which is supposed to exit through the barrel will slowly leak back out the pilot instead.
#22
Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:19 PM
...assuming you keep the lines between the tanks and the blast button as short as possible. Also worth considering is modifying the fill/vent nozzle on the tanks to be wider, and use a wider ID tubing....
Excuse my ignorance but I was under the impression that the reason for keeping the tubes between the blast button and tank as short as possible was so it fired the tank fast due to there being less volume between the tank and blast button. If that is true then it would seem to me what you said is self contradicting. Shorter tubes=less volume but greater ID= more volume.
They way I thought it worked was based on pressure differential. Basically all the blast button has to do is relieve a small amount of pressure to fire the tank. So it would stand to reason that the less volume there is between the tank and blast button the less air would have to be moved in order to reduce pressure enough to fire tanks and as I said earlier: Shorter tube=less volume and if that is true then. Less volume=faster pressure release: Faster pressure release= faster valve opening: Faster valve opening= More air to fire the shot.
Maybe there's no Mcmaster, but you could make the first coconut airtank.
#23
Posted 19 January 2011 - 11:40 PM
#24
Posted 20 January 2011 - 12:42 AM
Maybe there's no Mcmaster, but you could make the first coconut airtank.
#25
Posted 20 January 2011 - 05:24 AM
I had/have a setup just like the OP is wanting to build on my old 3B. It now belongs to someone else, he'll be picking it up next war.
It consists of two Hornet tanks, a Hornet pump, Hornet blast button, a couple of tees and tubing and works VERY well, TYVM. It fires great ranges, both tanks getting nigh identical range, and produces those distances on anywhere from 5-10 pumps. Hope this pic will give you the general idea:
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