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[nate the great]

Ok, I had a broken hornet so I decided to try and take out the tanks. I plan on intergrating them into another gun. I tried to find out how they work using the search function but I could not. Could someone help out with a illustration/ explaination?

Thanks in advance

[Airsoftguy777]

nate the great, on Mar 27 2010, 12:24 PM, said:

Ok, I had a broken hornet so I decided to try and take out the tanks. I plan on intergrating them into another gun. I tried to find out how they work using the search function but I could not. Could someone help out with a illustration/ explaination?

Thanks in advance

They are back pressure tanks. Have you had any experience with regular pin walve tanks? Well these are similar, when you pump it instead of a spring the airpushes the seal forward. So to fire them you have to release some amount of air, this is where blast buttons come in to the picture. So when you release a little air the seal moves a little letting the rest of the air out.

[bourbon]

Another thing is make sure you save all the blast buttons. That's how you typically get integrated Hornet tanks to fire.

Mount the tank somewhere, then further down the vinyl tubing put a barbed tee. Hook the blast button up to it. Then hook the pump up to the other end. When you push the blast button, it will fire the tank. The convenient part is you can mount the button almost anywhere on the gun, which is why some people use these over AT2K tank integrations. Well that, and the fact that Hornets break all the time.

[fallinouttadabox]

Little representation.

[nate the great]

Thanks for all the help guys. Yes, I have had experience with at2k tanks and such before. I think I get the concept now. If you are wondering what I'm doing I am intergrating a at2k and a 2 hornet tanks into a longshot. I already finished the at2k part and next I will start on the hornet tanks. Wish me luck

[moosa]

bourbon, on Mar 27 2010, 06:18 PM, said:

Another thing is make sure you save all the blast buttons. That's how you typically get integrated Hornet tanks to fire.

Each Hornet has three blast buttons, correct? And I assume that the actual trigger mechanism is generally considered too complicated to mess with, right?

I figured it would be appropriate to ask that here and now.

[Airsoftguy777]

moosa, on Mar 29 2010, 04:59 AM, said:

bourbon, on Mar 27 2010, 06:18 PM, said:

Another thing is make sure you save all the blast buttons. That's how you typically get integrated Hornet tanks to fire.

Each Hornet has three blast buttons, correct? And I assume that the actual trigger mechanism is generally considered too complicated to mess with, right?

I figured it would be appropriate to ask that here and now.

Yes I believe so, but alot of things can be used as blast buttons. Such as the orange thing on the bottom of the titan that the hornet connects to.

[moosa]

Airsoftguy777, on Mar 29 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

Yes I believe so, but alot of things can be used as blast buttons. Such as the orange thing on the bottom of the titan that the hornet connects to.

I don't entirely understand this, but I'm not really familiar with how that particular mechanism on the Titan works. Anyways I think the point you're trying to make is that anything that can release air from the system and then close air-tight again can be used as a blast button. Is that correct?

[Airsoftguy777]

moosa, on Mar 29 2010, 05:19 AM, said:

Airsoftguy777, on Mar 29 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

Yes I believe so, but alot of things can be used as blast buttons. Such as the orange thing on the bottom of the titan that the hornet connects to.

I don't entirely understand this, but I'm not really familiar with how that particular mechanism on the Titan works. Anyways I think the point you're trying to make is that anything that can release air from the system and then close air-tight again can be used as a blast button. Is that correct?

Yes, I have even experimented with tire valves, but the air out-put was too small.

[zaphodB]

fallinouttadabox, on Mar 27 2010, 08:33 PM, said:

Confusing gif

Little representation.

This is misleading to everyone who doesn't already know how backpressure valves work. To clarify for those people (who I assume the animation was for in the first place), one would attach the barrel to the top part, and the trigger is the red box.

Ambiguous paint drawings do not an explanation make.

[moosa]

Airsoftguy777, on Mar 29 2010, 09:39 AM, said:

Yes, I have even experimented with tire valves, but the air out-put was too small.

Yeah, I imagine that a quick air release is necessary.

zaphodB, on Mar 29 2010, 08:02 PM, said:

Ambiguous paint drawings do not an explanation make.

I thought it was confusing at first. After studying it a bit, it made sense. I thought it was helpful, but your clarification is important to understand as well.

[Airsoftguy777]

moosa, on Mar 29 2010, 04:18 PM, said:

Airsoftguy777, on Mar 29 2010, 09:39 AM, said:

Yes, I have even experimented with tire valves, but the air out-put was too small.

Yeah, I imagine that a quick air release is necessary.

http://nerfhaven.com...hl=blast button
If you were wondering, this is a thread for a homemade blast button.

[nate the great]

Airsoftguy777- Thanks but I'm using the button from my titan. For those who don't know it's the part where the titan conects to the hornet. It's the exact same thing only with a tubing conector.

[Airsoftguy777]

Airsoftguy777, on Mar 29 2010, 09:12 AM, said:

Such as the orange thing on the bottom of the titan that the hornet connects to.

nate the great, on Mar 29 2010, 04:35 PM, said:

Airsoftguy777- Thanks but I'm using the button from my titan. For those who don't know it's the part where the titan conects to the hornet. It's the exact same thing only with a tubing conector.

I said this earlier.

[moosa]

Sorry, I sort of stole the thread and twisted it to my own purposes. Didn't mean to cause confusion. Thanks for the info Airsoftguy.

[Blue]

You don't need to know how they work to use them. You need a "T" tubing coupler, and you attach a hornet tank, pump, and blast button to it in any order. The hornet has two blast buttons in it, and the titan has an orange one. Drilling holes in the blast button plastic below it is the same effect, the tubing is much closer though. A few awesome illustrations on how it works can be found in... I think one of DOOM's threads, spud gun people call it a different system that I can't remember.

[roboman]

Blue, on Mar 30 2010, 07:59 AM, said:

I think one of DOOM's threads, spud gun people call it a different system that I can't remember.

In the spudding community, they're called "piston valves." The Spudfiles Wiki has an excellent explanation of their operation.

[Blue]

Just Some Bob, on Mar 30 2010, 11:16 AM, said:

Blue, on Mar 30 2010, 07:59 AM, said:

You don't need to know how they work to use them.

You kind of do need to know how they work if you want to use more than one at a time, though.

That's true, but integrating more than one hornet tank on a single blast button is more complex and not done very often. If you do try to do more than one, I think that they need to be relatively close together near the blast button, based off this thread: http://nerfhaven.com...hl=Jet squadron

[moosa]

Hey, thanks for this info too. I never would have figured that out. So, how do (stock) blasters like the Hornet circumvent this issue? Is it simply the fact that none of the hoses tee together? Looking at a pic of the internals, it looks as though each tank has its own hose, which leads directly into a larger diameter passageway before reaching the blast button. It seems like this would prevent the air constriction. Air constriction is the problem, correct?

Edited by moosa, 31 March 2010 - 04:45 AM.

[moosa]

Alright, I just came across this mod in the directory by Captain Slug. It looks like he simply tee'd the hornet tanks together into one line, and apparently, it worked fine for him. I don't see what could be different about the setup of this mod compared to others that people have had problems with, aside from the fact that Slug only used four of the tanks.

[CaptainSlug]

The actuation rate of the piston inside each backpressure valve is dependent upon the flow rate of the release of backpressure. The lower the flow rate, the slower the piston will actuate. Therefore the higher the amount of stored volume in each backpressure tank will not be used to propel the dart.

So there is an upper limit to how many you can hook together and still have them function well. That upper limit increase the more derestricted the release of backpressure becomes.