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[uche-uche]

Ok I had to do a project that required some clay. I found this clay made by crayola that is non toxic, come in plastic packets,and air dries. I had some clay left over and decided to put it to use. I took a piece and rolled it into a ball to fit kind of loosely inside of the barrel. I made about 20 in 5 min. I let them dry over night and they were awesome! I havent had a chance to range test them but I shot one through five pieces of thick construction paper and it bounced off my wall from 30ft. away with my modded sm 750. They dont hurt real bad because they are softer than hot glue but they are smaller and easier to lose. They are also more aerodynamic than stefans and easier to make. These are for pump guns only because other wise the balls would be sucked into the chamber unles you made them fit more snug. I will post more on this later tell me what you think.

Edited by uche-uche, 23 March 2004 - 08:24 PM.

[Famine]

Pics would be cool. How much does this magic clay shit weigh? Also, maybe you could try them out in a larger rifle and report the ranges compared to what you normally get with Stefans.

[Spectre2689]

Hrm...y'know bullets developed from musket balls for a reason. Stefans would technically be more aerodynamic because they reduce the drag created when the air rushes in behind the projectile. I'm guessing the only reason it went through the cardboard is because the clay is more dense than the glue/weight/foam combination, but whatever works I guess. Keep us posted.

Edited by Spectre2689, 23 March 2004 - 08:33 PM.

[uche-uche]

They dont weigh much at all, maybe a bag weigs 1lb. I can also make about 350 of them with one bag. These are not going to be like the new stefans or anything It is just an even cheaper easier way to make some "bruisers". I gave them the name bruisers when I put a bb in one and shot myself. It HURT. These can also be formed to make a bullet like shape if you wanted too. It is 3.59 for a pack of this stuff. Also with as light as it is I think the darts are more dense. I also stuck one in a sm5k and shot at my coke bottle and it went straight through! I will get pics up once my other comp. is fixed.

[ompa]

Whoa that's kinda creepy... That's almost too powerful. Any idea where to buy it? Like a Target or K-Mart? Or does it have to be one of those specialty craft stores?

~ompa

Edited by ompa, 23 March 2004 - 09:46 PM.

[uche-uche]

any craft store. Michaels,hobby lobby, something like tha. also it hlps alot if you put a bb in them.

[EleMenT]

No offence or anything but this sounds like a sort of stupid idea. There is a fine line between nerf and paintball and i think that you have just broken it. Way to go using new ideas and being on the lookout for ways to improve nerf, but I think that this is too much and challenges nerf for what it is. Nerf (in my opinion) is supposed to be air or spring guns (no explosives) that shoot out foam at other people. A lot of people these days have been getting "great ideas" that have been taken too far. I am sorry that I am coming down on you so hard uche-uche, but i really mean this reply to anybody that has come up with ideas that infringe on the boundary between nerf and paintball.

I know of the clay that you are talking about and it is really great for crafts and stuff. I guess that it is better than firing actual clay around at people but it still doesn’t go well with nerf.

I hope that I am not alone in my opinion on what nerf is and isn’t. I know that my friends and I do like paintball and bb-gunning as well as nerf, but I don’t like the idea of mixing any of those.

In summary, good idea in general, but I don’t think that it is a good idea for the welfare of nerf.

[cxwq]

Everyone has a different idea of what is and isn't Nerf.

For me, since I remember a time before Nerf blasters, I associate the word with the foam. Everything "Nerf" has been made out of either foam rubber or foam plastic. Modeling clay musket balls are fun, but they don't fall within my personal definition of Nerf.

[Famine]

Stefans would technically be more aerodynamic because they reduce the drag created when the air rushes in behind the projectile.

I don't know about that shit. I do know that when you got shot with a musket ball in the Civil War it gave you gangrene and they cut your legs off. Even if you were shot in the arm, your fuckin legs were still goners. That's vicious shit. Don't fuck with the musket ball.

Anyways, I'm intrigued. Fuck the West si-ide.

[IronRhino]

That sounds like model magic. Honestly, I think it'd be too light to work well.

[Black Wrath]

That sounds like model magic. Honestly, I think it'd be too light to work well.

I have ton of that stuff guys. When it sets and hardens, it becomes very light, and I don't think it would be a good ammo type. It does feel foamy though... but again, I express my opinion that this isn't a nerf ammunition. I like foam... not clay.

[hellsangel]

Maybe if you built it around a weight or something it would weigh enough to work. Just a suggestion.

[rusty]

The probloem with this is that you'd have to be very carful not to make REAL musket balls out of this stuff with tips. Also if the stuff goes through 5 pieces of cardboard it just isn't safe for indoors/soft flashy material, and eyes are particularly soft fleshy materials.

[Formerly Sane]

I've used the stuff you're talking about. When it hardens it turns into a thick kind of foam if I remember right. Clay just doesn't seem like the right description for the post-dried pellets. Like Iron Rhino said, wouldn't it be too light to work? You said you put a bb in one, so were the others not weighted?

On the subject of whether it's nerf or not, I think that it is. Using C02 on a nerfgun eliminates pumping, which changes what seperates nerf with paintball. This new type of ammo is no different than the different ways stefans have evolved over the years into the zero dart and likewise.

The problem with converting to a new dart system, if a breech was made for this type of ammo, it wouldn't fit regular darts but if the darts were still loaded down the barrel, these and stefans could easily coexist. These "bruiser" darts could be easily adapted to clip systems. This raises the problem of easily having a huge payload for a single weapon and even using hoppers.I can see people using paintball barrels with these. Even worse, shooting them out of PB guns. The gap between paintball and nerf does not need to be bridged.

All in all, these darts seem fine when used alone, but with the shape advantage (darts must be loaded in one direction, balls like these could be loaded anyway like a paintball) and similarity to paintballs, I can easily see people using this one similarity between the two sports and mixing them.

Yes, give us information, pics, ranges, all of that. If the community wants this ammo to be shunned, there's nothing you can do about it except continue to use it by yourself or give it up. If everyone accepts it, the bruiser dart (even though it technically isn't a dart anymore) will add to the fun people have in nerf, as long as it isn't adapted to be used in conjunction with paintball. Though we at nerf haven have a tendency to stretch limits.

[uche-uche]

OK, These "bruisers" are only good when used with a bb inside them. Otherwise they will go off course. Also the cardboard was a misprint, I shot one through five pieces of paper, and I shot one 1 piece of cardboard.Like i said before it isnt a dart exactly it is just a replacement. Also I made a bullet shaped dart and it went straight and blew into 2 pieces when it hit the wall. Also if you dont think this is "nerf" enough then dont use them.If you want foam do like me and add a tail of 3/8 in. backer rod. Also a good thing about these are that,you wont ever get burned,can make any size "bruiser",faster and easier to make,goes just as far,can make different colors, Dont need a breech load it and dont have tobe loaded a specific way. There are also cons to them.They would also blow up in a paintball gun, I tried. So they are strictly Nerf ammo. More on these later.

Edited by uche-uche, 24 March 2004 - 08:40 PM.

[DoubleLnL]

So they're snug enough not to roll back into the breech, right? Well, just a thought, but from your description they sound like they could make a helluva shotgun ammo since you could fit alot more into the barrel.

[uche-uche]

Yes they do make a great shotgun ammo. I actually put 27 of them in my sm5k barrel.Also you can make them snug or you can make them loose it just depends in how you make them.

[DoubleLnL]

27?!?... geez... that could clear a room in one shot, but reloading the 27 could be problematic.

[rusty]

but reloading the 27 could be problematic.

No it's so simple it's not even funny. All you need is a piece of of pipe the same size as your barrel that can fit the 27 balls. Then cap one end of the pipe, and put a coupler on the other end large enough to connect the loading tube and the barrel. Now all you have to do is connect the loading tube to the barrel, turn the gun upside down, and viola your reloaded

Also does anyone else find it ironic that we get "the nerf musket ball" about the same time we get the "combustible powered nerf gun"?

Edited by THEengineer, 27 March 2004 - 11:05 AM.

[jpshyboi9]

yea lol

[cxwq]

yea lol

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[MysticFalcon182]

The main reason they switched from musket balls to more modernized bullets was because of the sheer innaccuracy and stupidness.

The bullets used in the Civil War were very much like Stefans, as in their backs. The heat from the rifle shooting the bullet would cause the back to expand and seal off the barrel, which lets pressure build up behind the bullet and gives it more power, very much like how air causes the Stefan to seal up the barrel and, like the Civil War bullet, gives it more power.

Any statistics on the accuracy of these new "darts"?

~Mystic~