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[k9turrent]

Tools needed:
-Rotory Tool (cutting tool, and sanding drum)
-Lighter
- ~ 30 1" stefans Blanks
- Hotglue gun and glue
-(optional) Electrical Tape




Step 1
Open the Drum

Step 2
See this pin

Remove it and take out the the internals

Step 3
Use the usual way to open the N-strike clips


Step 3
Just in modding N-strike clips, put in a rail at this point as well as the other half. Also take off the bottom right section of the clip that is shown missing in the picture


Step 4
Take your Rotory tool with the sanding drum on a low speed (it will allow the plastic to melt but not fly off), and sand back the black follower piece until it is able to slide smoothly


Step 5
Now take one of the stefans blanks, and hot glue it to the side of the spindle that is towards the solid side. Rinse and repeat for every slot that the follower doesn't occupy.


Step 6
Hold the spindle ~6 inches above the lighter to make the foam melt a bit




Optional Step
Put E-tape over top of the blanks



Step 7
Re-install all of the internals


Step 8
Mirror the locking slot on the right to the left and remove the little nub on the bottom of the clip


Finished!!!

[NerfRogue83]

1. Great work. Methinks a few more people will start to weild LS's----equipped with one of these....

2. How smooth is the cycle? Jams?

[k9turrent]

2. How smooth is the cycle? Jams?

I do not own any gun that uses LS clips, so I can't exactly test it outside of pushing the dart with my finger.

Also it should be noted, that I can't use it with the foam I use (springer tight in PETG) beacuse the foam causes friction with exterior wall. but it worked with my leftover gray foam

[NerfRogue83]

2. How smooth is the cycle? Jams?

I do not own any gun that uses LS clips, so I can't exactly test it outside of pushing the dart with my finger.

Also it should be noted, that I can't use it with the foam I use (springer tight in PETG) beacuse the foam causes friction with exterior wall. but it worked with my leftover gray foam

So...this current version is diameter sensitive? Meaning---larger diameter foam = fail?

[k9turrent]

2. How smooth is the cycle? Jams?

I do not own any gun that uses LS clips, so I can't exactly test it outside of pushing the dart with my finger.

Also it should be noted, that I can't use it with the foam I use (springer tight in PETG) beacuse the foam causes friction with exterior wall. but it worked with my leftover gray foam

So...this current version is diameter sensitive? Meaning---larger diameter foam = fail?

Yes but this is a photo from RyanMcnumbers and he is using loghome foam (I think)

[slowguitarman]

I have to wonder about whether or not these work. I worked on one a lot a few months ago, and I had many problems because of things that neither K9 or Ryan have addressed. For one, the hotglue tips will rub against the front of the drum. For another, you have to use fairly long darts so they can't move enough to come out of place while the drum rotates since there is nothing holding up the back of the dart. For another, it's a lot easier for them to shift when the darts are fatter, and it's a lot harder (impossible) for it to rotate when the darts are a nice size for a typical angel breech. I just don't believe that gluing blanks in the back of the mag is going to make it work in war. You might be able to fiddle with it and get it to work right at home, but those darts can and will shift, and you're going to get stuck with no shots in the middle of a round.

[Zack the Mack]

I don't think the domes would be a problem. After all, stock Streamlines' soft rubber tips are much more friction-y and don't jam.

The main problem I see is that the darts advance from the back of the clip. This is a problem for Angel Breeches, which load darts from the front. [EDIT: In Step 8, k9turret cut a notch in the other side of the magazine so it can be inserted backwards and load darts correctly] I suppose it would be easy to fix - just glue the FBR spacers on the other side of the drum - but then you'd lose the ability to check your ammo.

I've been working on an Angel Breeched LS to test this out since I read it on NerfRevolution, and when I finish the drum over the weekend I'll post my results.

Edited by Zack the Mack, 12 December 2009 - 12:33 PM.

[k9turrent]

The main problem I see is that the darts advance from the back of the clip. This is a problem for Angel Breeches, which load darts from the front.

Thank you and read step 8, dumbass

[Draconis]

The main problem I see is that the darts advance from the back of the clip. This is a problem for Angel Breeches, which load darts from the front.

Thank you and read step 8, dumbass

You didn't describe WHY you were performing step eight, though. There's no reason to be rude to him if you aren't going to be clear.

Also, while hot glue may have friction issues, I would expect that felt tipped darts would slide quite nicely.

[slowguitarman]

Trust me. The hotglue tips can and do rub. I don't say things unless I have experienced them. They rub on the sides and often rub the front.

[Zorns Lemma]

Yes but this is a photo from RyanMcnumbers and he is using loghome foam (I think)

I used plastic rod for the spacers, and took a lot more out of the shell so that even with fatter darts, it won't feed irregularly. "Fatter" is relative - darts with OD > 9/16" (so snug fit in 19/32" brass) will still create too much friction.

Also, the problem with your version (also a problem in the prototype drum of mine) is that most breeched guns are done somewhat inefficiently, so the darts feed from the front rather than the back (simply due to the measurements given by FA that everyone follows. Thus, if you put the spacers for stefans on the bottom, darts don't actually feed into your standard N-strike compatible breech.

To get around this, the spacers must be put on the front, which causes some more problems, the first being visibility, thought that can be solved by using acrylic half-round rods. So, nice work, but there's still a ways to go.

[DTReaper]

Correct me if I am wrong but the reason for step 8 is to get rid of the feed from the back problem that several people have pointed out. He cuts the clip lock in a mirrored position on the other side so with it in backwards the front is the back and the back is the front. I may be inserting my own foot in my mouth but whatever.

-DTR

[Zorns Lemma]

Correct me if I am wrong but the reason for step 8 is to get rid of the feed from the back problem that several people have pointed out. He cuts the clip lock in a mirrored position on the other side so with it in backwards the front is the back and the back is the front.

That's what step 8 says, and not what the pictures show (and we all know that theoretical nerf modding tends to fail). Also problems with that solution are 1) an improperly cut slot means the mag becomes wobbly, increasing feed issues 2) jam fixing nub is on the wrong side, and even stock mags jam and 3) now your opponent gets to see how many darts you have left.

[slowguitarman]

Correct me if I am wrong but the reason for step 8 is to get rid of the feed from the back problem that several people have pointed out. He cuts the clip lock in a mirrored position on the other side so with it in backwards the front is the back and the back is the front.

That's what step 8 says, and not what the pictures show (and we all know that theoretical nerf modding tends to fail). Also problems with that solution are 1) an improperly cut slot means the mag becomes wobbly, increasing feed issues 2) jam fixing nub is on the wrong side, and even stock mags jam and 3) now your opponent gets to see how many darts you have left.

1) Improperly doing anything is bad, so it's a possible fault with the modder, not the mod.
2) Reach around to the other side. It isn't that far.
3) Does it matter? I personally can't use an LS that has the drum (or even an extra supermag) popping out to the left. It's in the way of my arm. Also, how many shots you have left in a drum should be the least of your opponents worries.

[Zack the Mack]

The main problem I see is that the darts advance from the back of the clip. This is a problem for Angel Breeches, which load darts from the front.

Thank you and read step 8, dumbass

The directions were a little unclear. Putting the drum in backwards still doesn't solve the problem of being able to see your ammo supply.

[NerfRogue83]

The main problem I see is that the darts advance from the back of the clip. This is a problem for Angel Breeches, which load darts from the front.

Thank you and read step 8, dumbass

The directions were a little unclear. Putting the drum in backwards still doesn't solve the problem of being able to see your ammo supply.

Like SGM said----your opponent should be more concerned about the multiple stefans flying at him, and the fact that there are many more on the way. Seeing how many are left is not a huge issue, the smooth cycle of the drum is.

[Nerf Bros]

Wow- I'm fearfully imagining a BBB or PAS with one of these... it'd be almost as fearful as a +bow without the pain.
Very cool- with some tuning it'd be perfect... if only I had money to spend on a raider.

[imaseoulman]

I knew it wouldn't be long before this was done. Maybe you could combine this with this idea I just posted:

Breachless Drum Mag to any Blaster.