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#1 TheAbused

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:11 PM

Those of you who were at the Cincinnati Nerf-o-ween probably saw me with this (I was dressed as Beaker, from The Muppet Show, or as the Mad Scientist, if you have no idea who Beaker is).

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This is by far not my first mod, but its the first one I've really been bothered to half-way document. Most of my creations start with me thinking "Here is a crap gun. I wonder if I can make it not-crap." Or more likely "Here is a perfectly working gun. I wonder if I can unnecessarily mash it together with this gun?" Unsurprisingly, I don't pull out my camera until the gun is more or less finished. Sorry about that...

So here's the cool thing about this gun: the PAS grip cocks the gun and works the breech. So the load is almost entirely removed from the Recon bolt sled, and one does not have to fret or worry about flimsy plastic snapping in the middle of a Nerf Encounter.

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So sexy.

It's a bit hard to describe in words how I trimmed the guns down to fit, and I really wish I had remembered to take pics. Hopefully pics of the finished product will show enough. The important parts of the shells to save are the grooves/tracks for the bolt sled and priming bar. I also tried to make sure the plunger tube and the Recon barrel would still line up, but they end up being a little crooked. I used some Lexan and Oatey Fix-it Stick All Purpose Bonding Putty to hold the plunger tube.

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Combining the bolt sled and the priming bar was a bit tricky, and I wasn't sure if I was going to pull it off. Again, I should have taken pics of this process. The bottom of the bolt sled is trimmed down (which is OK, since it only moves the brass now, and not anything with a spring), and the priming bar was cut to allow the sled to nest. Fix-it stick holds it all together. Mine came out a little crooked, but it doesn't really effect performance. You'll also have to add a block underneath, so the priming bar pulls and pushes it (better pic below), instead of just pulling.

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The bolt sled also needed to be filed down on top to fit underneath the plunger tube for nice, smooth action.

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The brass breech is the usual standard, nothing new about that... though I think it's pretty cool that it telescopes into the plunger tube. Usual spring replacement, plunger rod reinforcement, trigger reinforcement. Its very important that the brass that slides into the plunger tube does not extend into the plunger tube when the breech is closed, or else the plunger head will strike it. Its very important that the trigger catch is nice and strong, or else you risk the plunger moving (with all that terrifying force) and striking your open breech, and probably wrecking the whole assembly.

I felt using the Recon shoulder stock would help tie the whole thing together rather nicely.
Bolt sled assembly with block for priming bar (bottom half of pic).

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My ranges (with Stephans and stock Streamlines) are comparable to modified Big Bad Bows. I didn't use a real heavy spring in this one (just what I had lying around). My usual range (tilted between 5 or 10 degrees) is somewhere in 65-75 feet, though I could probably get more with a heavier spring.

I can come up with a better range measurement a little later...

Also, an updated picture when the new paint is done.

If I can find a Recon for dirt cheap, I'll make another one of these, and do a more in-depth write up. For now, I'll do my best to answer any questions.
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#2 Hi Yah

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

So basically, it's a longshot on steroids, right? Nice mod, all it needs now is a paintjob.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:16 PM

That is very clean and it looks extremely functional. Props. Mad props. How does the size/weight compare to a standard blaster? and, 75 is pretty good for a recon's brass breech, isn't it? Generally, recon's angel breeches are pretty poor, correct? Awesome job, again.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:22 PM

That is very clean and it looks extremely functional. Props. Mad props. How does the size/weight compare to a standard blaster? and, 75 is pretty good for a recon's brass breech, isn't it? Generally, recon's angel breeches are pretty poor, correct? Awesome job, again.


Thanks.

Weight: about the combined weight of a Recon and a RFPAS... a bit front heavy. I don't have a scale handy... but I can say I was pretty comfortable running around with it for 8 hours.

Length: about 40 inches.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:23 PM

This thing is a beast. You used that at the last Cinci war didn't you?
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#6 TheAbused

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:26 PM

This thing is a beast. You used that at the last Cinci war didn't you?


Yep. It's currently in pieces for painting...
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:33 PM

I really like this, it looks cool too. Have you experienced any jams? How's the recon seal?
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:34 PM

Beautiful just beautiful.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:39 PM

I really like this, it looks cool too. Have you experienced any jams? How's the recon seal?


I've had a few jams... partly due to overzealous pumping, partly due to crappy darts, and partly due to a burr on the brass (now fixed... I think).

"How is the recon seal?" The original isn't there anymore.

"How does the recon seal?" Very nicely, thanks. The brass fits pretty well in the plunger tube. I think it was 1/2"... maybe 15/32"

(Not being a dick... just trying to answer the question I think you're asking.)
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:44 PM

Excellent work. Even though I've moved on to RSCB's, there will always be a place in my heart for clipped blasters. Especially clipped ERTL guns. Just awesome.

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Posted 09 November 2009 - 07:56 PM

Just beautiful man! All it needs now is a godd paint job and you've got yourself one mean mother F****er!
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:14 PM

Just a thought, but maybe you should reinforce that recon bolt sled, we wouldn't want it breaking while in the middle of pwning some nuib ass right?
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:20 PM

Just a thought, but maybe you should reinforce that recon bolt sled, we wouldn't want it breaking while in the middle of pwning some nuib ass right?


I could, but the bolt sled doesn't carry very much load now. The RFPAS priming bar carries all that spring load, while the bolt sled only moves the brass back and forth.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:32 PM

When I saw this at nerf-o-ween I never thought it was set up like this. kudos.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:32 PM

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That's about it. And thanks Angela who helped me with these pictures.. It looks huge in her hands.


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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:35 PM

I don't like to straight copy peoples mods, but I have got to make one of those. That is a bad ass gun, I really like it.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:40 PM

Just a thought, but maybe you should reinforce that recon bolt sled, we wouldn't want it breaking while in the middle of pwning some nuib ass right?


So here's the cool thing about this gun: the PAS grip cocks the gun and works the breech. So the load is almost entirely removed from the Recon bolt sled, and one does not have to fret or worry about flimsy plastic snapping in the middle of a Nerf encounter.


That is the most bad ass piece of ABS I have ever seen.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 08:54 PM

I'm not sure why this has been done. I applaud your creativity, and skill, but the RFDG plunger is nearly identical in dimensions to the Longshot. It would have made more sense (from an upgrade standpoint) to use a PAS. Good work though, it really is impressive.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 09:05 PM

Although seemingly unnecessary, that thing is pretty damn cool. How long is it in comparison to say... A longshot with the front gun attached?
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 09:17 PM

I'm not sure why this has been done. I applaud your creativity, and skill, but the RFDG plunger is nearly identical in dimensions to the Longshot. It would have made more sense (from an upgrade standpoint) to use a PAS. Good work though, it really is impressive.


Thank you for the compliment.

True, I could be getting pretty much the same performance results from a modified Longshot.

Reason I did this #1: I was in my garage waiting for something else to dry. These blasters... their plastic shells cry out to me: "Do something with us... we've been sitting here for months..."

Reason I did this #2: Lots of people have Longshots. I debated picking one up myself (still am, actually). I knew I wanted a Stephan capable blaster. I knew I wanted a shotgun fore-grip. I knew I wanted a clip fed system. If I was to make a blaster with these specifications, my Longshot would have taken just as much time/effort/money as this modification.

Perceived Bonus #1: No one else has done this. Not that I know of, anyway. Even if they did, there are not many. That appeals to my sense of uniqueness.

Unexpected Bonus #1: The bolt sled doesn't need to be reinforced.

Again, thank you for your compliment.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 09:20 PM

Although seemingly unnecessary, that thing is pretty damn cool. How long is it in comparison to say... A longshot with the front gun attached?



It's about 40 inches... so I think it's about the length of a Longshot with a front gun. I think.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 09:39 PM

This is what I tried to stay away from during battle.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 09:57 PM

Let me be honest with you. I wanted to hate it. Probably because there was a recon attached to it. Maybe because you sacrificed the 12 shot goodness for a regular ole clip. Then I remembered If it works with a regular ole clip then perhaps... Just perhaps you can also slap a drum to it. And this removes all the flaws of the longshot and the recon. The fore grip does great to cock the blaster. And no stress on the bolt to break it. What you made was very cleanly integrated and exceptionally functional. best part is it still accepts streamlines. Have you tested with a drum mag yet?


This gives me an idea.....
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 10:11 PM

Let me be honest with you. I wanted to hate it. Probably because there was a recon attached to it. Maybe because you sacrificed the 12 shot goodness for a regular ole clip. Then I remembered If it works with a regular ole clip then perhaps... Just perhaps you can also slap a drum to it. And this removes all the flaws of the longshot and the recon. The fore grip does great to cock the blaster. And no stress on the bolt to break it. What you made was very cleanly integrated and exceptionally functional. best part is it still accepts streamlines. Have you tested with a drum mag yet?


This gives me an idea.....



Ahh... yes... I completely forgot to mention that. I, too, was unhappy with the reduction of 12 to 6... but perhaps if I could make it to 35...

Unfortunately, my Stephans are fussy in the unmodified drum clip. But the streamlines... goodness me, the streamlines. They tend to fly a little wild, so accuracy is dodgy, but they do fly far. If the weather stays warms enough, I'll take a crack at modifying the drum clip to take Stephans better.
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Posted 09 November 2009 - 10:54 PM

Let me be honest with you. I wanted to hate it. Probably because there was a recon attached to it. Maybe because you sacrificed the 12 shot goodness for a regular ole clip. Then I remembered If it works with a regular ole clip then perhaps... Just perhaps you can also slap a drum to it. And this removes all the flaws of the longshot and the recon. The fore grip does great to cock the blaster. And no stress on the bolt to break it. What you made was very cleanly integrated and exceptionally functional. best part is it still accepts streamlines. Have you tested with a drum mag yet?


This gives me an idea.....



Ahh... yes... I completely forgot to mention that. I, too, was unhappy with the reduction of 12 to 6... but perhaps if I could make it to 35...

Unfortunately, my Stephans are fussy in the unmodified drum clip. But the streamlines... goodness me, the streamlines. They tend to fly a little wild, so accuracy is dodgy, but they do fly far. If the weather stays warms enough, I'll take a crack at modifying the drum clip to take Stephans better.


Have you tried doing this to your streamlines?
http://nerfhaven.com...&hl=streamlines

It may help their accuracy and add a little weight to them to give them more distance.

Edited by Blacksunshine, 09 November 2009 - 10:56 PM.

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