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Posted 06 May 2009 - 09:30 PM

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Ok, so I went to Lowes just a minute ago and bought some FBR and washers. The problem is when I try to hotglue the washers on, the fbr melts. Someone please help me.

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 09:32 PM

Either get a different FBR, or get a lower temperature glue gun.
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 09:35 PM

You NEED a low temp hot glue gun.
Or if you use a HIGH temp within the first 5 minutes of it heating up it isnt going to burn the FBR as much.

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 09:36 PM

SwifTNerf's foam will never melt at hot glue temperatures, just pop with pressure (poking holes with the gun). It's the only foam that I have had that has not even moved a little with the introduction of the melted glue.

Don't switch to Mile high foam, though. It's horrible with heat, and turns into a horrible black mess.
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:09 PM

Don't switch to Mile high foam, though. It's horrible with heat, and turns into a horrible black mess.

Mile high black works fine as long as you use a low-temp glue gun.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 12:23 AM

Hello

Ok, so I went to Lowes just a minute ago and bought some FBR and washers. The problem is when I try to hotglue the washers on, the fbr melts. Someone please help me.

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You didn't watch the video did you.
If you are using washers as weights than YOU MUST ALSO USE FELT DISCS. Sticking just a metal washer onto the tip of your dart is not safe and makes painful darts.
When you do use felt discs, both a high or low temp glue gun will work fine provided you apply it to the washer/felt and let it sit a second or so before attaching the blank.

See my signature for the video.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 01:22 AM

Both hot glue and Liquid Nails aren't flexible enough to prevent shattering and dart heads falling off. Also, hot glue tends to be expensive.

Ice9 and I make our CS-style darts using ACE Construction Adhesive, which is a cheap polyurethane adhesive. While it isn't the best choice for high load-bearing applications, the flexibility and impact resistance of polyurethane means it's great for darts.

The only disadvantage is that application is fairly messy. (Messier than Liquid Nails. Cleaner than molten hotgluefoam.)
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:13 AM

Don't switch to Mile high foam, though. It's horrible with heat, and turns into a horrible black mess.


Don't blame the foam for your inability to correctly make stefans.

I have made easily over 7000 stefans out of Mile High with hot glue and I have melted perhaps 10 and never into a "Horrible Black Mess" just deformed the tips a bit because I put too much glue in too fast.

A LOW TEMP glue gun is ESSENTIAL to making stefans in either the felt/washer method or the BB/Hot Glue method.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 08:38 AM

Hello

Ok, so I went to Lowes just a minute ago and bought some FBR and washers. The problem is when I try to hotglue the washers on, the fbr melts. Someone please help me.

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You didn't watch the video did you.
If you are using washers as weights than YOU MUST ALSO USE FELT DISCS. Sticking just a metal washer onto the tip of your dart is not safe and makes painful darts.
When you do use felt discs, both a high or low temp glue gun will work fine provided you apply it to the washer/felt and let it sit a second or so before attaching the blank.

See my signature for the video.

I used uin13 video. Right HERE.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 09:09 AM

Also, hot glue tends to be expensive.



I usually pick up 15 - 20 glue sticks at the dollar store for $1.14 after taxes. I wouldn't really call that expensive.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 10:04 AM

Also, hot glue tends to be expensive.



I usually pick up 15 - 20 glue sticks at the dollar store for $1.14 after taxes. I wouldn't really call that expensive.

I use a high temperature mega hot-glue gun for all my stefans. It works just fine. I can get 25 mega colored hot glue sticks at my Michael for 4 dollars. Hot glue is in no way expensive. I have used mile high foam before and it works just fine just take a while to get oust to, so I got a low temperature hot glue gun and it worked fine. I use really, really dense foam though. Also if you are following ices video, you can have any of the washer exposed because then they will not allow you to use them in a war. So if you want to just use washers, make CS darts. Also I would suggest getting new foam. Hope this helps.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 12:19 PM

Hello

Ok, so I went to Lowes just a minute ago and bought some FBR and washers. The problem is when I try to hotglue the washers on, the fbr melts. Someone please help me.

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I use a hot tempercher* glue gun and it does not effect my mile high fbr.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 01:02 PM

I used uin13 video. Right HERE.

1. He is a dumbass and should have deleted that video quite a while ago.
2. He used those once at Apoc last year and they hurt like hell.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 03:29 PM

you can have any of the washer exposed

Are we sure?
Also I've used his dart's in his BBB last summer and put my hand on the barrel and fired... it stung but airsoft is worse I've had a welt for over a week now from a shot from a pistol that stung like shit for atleast a min.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 03:55 PM

Try putting the glue on the washer first wait a bit then put the fbr on the washer.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 04:19 PM

Don't switch to Mile high foam, though. It's horrible with heat, and turns into a horrible black mess.


Don't blame the foam for your inability to correctly make stefans.

I have made easily over 7000 stefans out of Mile High with hot glue and I have melted perhaps 10 and never into a "Horrible Black Mess" just deformed the tips a bit because I put too much glue in too fast.

A LOW TEMP glue gun is ESSENTIAL to making stefans in either the felt/washer method or the BB/Hot Glue method.


Wes's Stefans are a better than yours will ever be. His are half the cost, use white easy to find foam, fly really straight and EVERY single one looks exactly the same. Also with my experience MileHigh foam tends to be quite soft and inconsistent.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 04:43 PM

Try putting the glue on the washer first wait a bit then put the fbr on the washer.

i know what your problem is this fbr is not only open cell but the cells are so big that you can melt the dart easyly get fbr from home depot
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 04:58 PM

Try putting the glue on the washer first wait a bit then put the fbr on the washer.

i know what your problem is this fbr is not only open cell but the cells are so big that you can melt the dart easyly get fbr from home depot

I get mine from Lowes.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 05:17 PM

Don't switch to Mile high foam, though. It's horrible with heat, and turns into a horrible black mess.


Don't blame the foam for your inability to correctly make stefans.

I have made easily over 7000 stefans out of Mile High with hot glue and I have melted perhaps 10 and never into a "Horrible Black Mess" just deformed the tips a bit because I put too much glue in too fast.

A LOW TEMP glue gun is ESSENTIAL to making stefans in either the felt/washer method or the BB/Hot Glue method.


I have a low temp hot glue gun.

And don't insult my dart making ability. The only reason you melt so few is because you use an ammount of glue equivelent to the size of a ladybug in each dart. You don't even put any glue inside to secure the weights. Firing your darts out of my higher powered blasters would cause the weights to migrate from the front of the dart to the back. Also, hitting anything less than 40' would result in weights flying out the side, because you didn't secure the damn things. So don't give me any crap about my dart making ability. I've never broken one of my darts, but I've broken all of yours.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 05:26 PM

I have never had that bad of a problem when making darts unless i let the hot glue gun sit for to long. So just don't let your gun sit to long and you'll be fine.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:06 PM

I too can attest for what Wes has said. Now I would be interested in these cheaper/better than hereticorp darts.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:22 PM

I have a low temp hot glue gun.

And don't insult my dart making ability. The only reason you melt so few is because you use an ammount of glue equivelent to the size of a ladybug in each dart. You don't even put any glue inside to secure the weights. Firing your darts out of my higher powered blasters would cause the weights to migrate from the front of the dart to the back. Also, hitting anything less than 40' would result in weights flying out the side, because you didn't secure the damn things. So don't give me any crap about my dart making ability. I've never broken one of my darts, but I've broken all of yours.


Actually, I use a good amount of glue on all my darts now, I'm sorry you got a batch with insufficient glue on them, however my darts are perfectly secured now.

And LSW/Shrub, die.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:50 PM

Hereticorp that's umm... very mature of you. Also just use autonerf's tutorial on dart making/
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 07:07 PM

I too can attest for what Wes has said. Now I would be interested in these cheaper/better than hereticorp darts.


Not for sale online. I believe Icespartan was selling similar darts (same foam). To ship them, they would not be cheaper than Hereticorp's.

Hereticorp- I apologise, because you fixed the problem. No need to sound harsh or anything, I was just being defensive.

Now, lets please stop hijacking this thread.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 07:51 PM

Polyurethane adhesive, guys.

No foam melting. No dart head cracking. No weights flying off.
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