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#1 rocketninja

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:50 PM

I am looking for a new primary. Its a choice between a BBB or a LS . I've never modded a BBB before but have modded a long shot, and long shots are fun to mod. however if I get a LS it will be the yellow one. the one that only comes with one clip. I am an intermediate modder and I am looking for a fun and not to difficult mod. I already have a PAS , which is coupler modded and is basically the same as what I want to do to the BBB.
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#2 rork

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:52 PM

BBB. They're great guns. /Thread.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:53 PM

It's mostly up to preferance.

You are actually in the same exact position I am. I can't decide between my ls or bbb.
The BBB is easy to mod while the longshot, if you mod it right, gets spectacular ranges.

My longshot is currently a piece of crap right now, so I'm leaning toward my BBB more and more, especially since it's ranges and coupler system appeals to me.

Again, choose what you like.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 04:58 PM

The choice is yours--I dont think anyone here wants to make the call for you. Maybe first decide what you really want out of your primary--the BBB has impressive range, but the LS has superior R.O.F. You really need to pick what suites you best, and check your spelling.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 05:15 PM

The choice is yours--I dont think anyone here wants to make the call for you. Maybe first decide what you really want out of your primary--the BBB has impressive range, but the LS has superior R.O.F. You really need to pick what suites you best, and check your spelling.



The BBB can be breeched and clipped to get a ROF equal to/greater than a longshot.

If you are looking for simplicity go with a BBB, If you want a challenge get a longshot, If you are rich get both.

Simple as that <_<
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 05:28 PM

What are the ranges like for a bbb with a simple coupler mod without upgrading the springs? I'm not nearly advanced enough to mod a longshot but I figure a simple mod for a bbb might be a fun way to spend a night or two.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 05:57 PM

What are the ranges like for a bbb with a simple coupler mod without upgrading the springs? I'm not nearly advanced enough to mod a longshot but I figure a simple mod for a bbb might be a fun way to spend a night or two.



With a simple coupler mod, AR Removal, Dead Space removal. I would see that getting 70ft, possibly 80.


The BBB will not work too well with petg, I know what foam you have, you will hate it with a petg breech. Either mod it for brass or for cpvc.

Edited by Applefury, 01 April 2009 - 05:57 PM.

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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:26 PM

One more thing: the BBB has absolutely freakish accuracy. Keisha's cpvc'd 3B did very well at SENO, even against BBBBs.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:36 PM

Here's a list of some mods for each gun that may or may not interest you. (These are rated not by their difficulty necessarily, but their difficulty in relation to the others I included:
BBB-
Easy

Medium

Hard

Longshot-
Easy

Medium

Hard (Understatement of the year)

Personally, if you want something quick, easy, and effective, I'd go with the BBB. Probably the first mod, as the second will take some time. As Rork said, they're very accurate, and I actually had one that I liked until I switched barrel material. But on topic, I'd definitely go with the BBB. If you want a bit of a challenge with it, do a dual coupler system so that you can use both CPVC and PVC barrels. Personally, I'd just drill out a length of PVC so that I can fit CPVC inside, and just use a PVC coupler, but just so you have options. Really, it's up to you. You have to find out what works best for you.

By the way, rork, I've been trying to reach you by PM. Sorry, this is off topic, I'm just trying to contact him.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 06:47 PM

One more thing: the BBB has absolutely freakish accuracy. Keisha's cpvc'd 3B did very well at SENO, even against BBBBs.


Accuracy has almost everything to do with barrel finish and dart fit, and almost nothing to do with whatever motive power was behind the air pressure moving the dart.

In other words - all credit for accuracy goes the builder, none to the stock blaster.


I believe what rork was saying was that the shell/shape/design of the blaster lends itself well to being accurate. For example, if someone were to fire at a target with this versus an AT2k (Both with perfect dart-barrel fit/barrel length and modded to their greatest possible potential), the BBB would most likely hit the target more often, be it a moving target or not. The shell and the way you hold it provides for the shooter to fire more accurately. Basically, the blaster's just easier to aim.

At least that's what I meant when I said it. I may be wrong for rork though.

I do agree though, the construction of the blaster/skill of the modder also plays an important role in accuracy.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 08:14 PM

Let me start this off by saying this:

RANGE IS OVERRATED.

Range is the product of a combination of factors. Someone who lives in Denver, CO test firing in the summer will get superior ranges with the exact same blaster as someone test firing in Seattle, WA. Someone who is 6'4" tall will get superior ranges than someone who is 5'7" tall. The differences are significant and often times they get overlooked by people who are just impressed by three-digit numbers.

To your question, I'd suggest the Big Bad Bow if you are only deciding between those two. If you are going to be going to a Toys R' Us, though, I'd suggest picking up an Air Zone Scorpion Bow if you don't plan on doing an internal breech system. The stock internals are similar, but the priming mechanism of the AZSB is one I find to be more reliable than the BBB.

The Longshot is more expensive than either the BBB or the AZSB (You might even be able to get both of those for the price of one LS!), and it is mechanically temperamental. Don't take my word for it; do a quick search for "broken bolt sled" and you'll see just how many people have experienced problems with their LS internals breaking after even the most basic of spring additions.

So yeah, those are my two cents. Forget about ranges; range means nothing if your blaster is a giant rattle after three shots.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 08:41 PM

Actually, certain blasters do lend themseves to greater degrees of accuracy than others. As has been said, this depends a lot on ergonomics. However, there are exceptions. For example: pullpin-type airguns will always be marginally less consistent than springers, as the trigger pull on a pullpin valve has everything to do with performance. When using a BBBB, the difference between a perfect hit and an abysmal failure often comes down to the perfect trigger pull. Also, the styling of the 3B makes it easy to point effectively.

LSs have notoriously bad accuracy--particularly with the stock breech. And I heartily agree with everything Dizzy said.
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Posted 01 April 2009 - 09:22 PM

What are the ranges like for a bbb with a simple coupler mod without upgrading the springs? I'm not nearly advanced enough to mod a longshot but I figure a simple mod for a bbb might be a fun way to spend a night or two.



With a simple coupler mod, AR Removal, Dead Space removal. I would see that getting 70ft, possibly 80.


The BBB will not work too well with petg, I know what foam you have, you will hate it with a petg breech. Either mod it for brass or for cpvc.


Oh no cPVC the deadly words FA24 has told me never to use. Brass might be kinda fun though. Is there a way to do the Bbb With a barrel and not a breech?

Also thanks to diamondback thats a pretty handy guide.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 03:00 PM

I already have modded a longshot and it ended up crap. I wasn't satisfied with the 50-60 ranges it was getting, so I decided to single it, and somewhere I screwed up and that brought the range down to 5-15 feet.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 07:16 PM

I personally would go with a bbb because of accuracy. However, Dizzy makes a very good point in reccomending the scorpion bow. I did Dizzy's mod and I am getting both good range and accuracy. However, the end decision is up to you longshots are fun to mod and if you want to have a fun mod go for it. Also you said you have a PAS which can be an excellent primary as well given the right mods.But thats just my 2 cents.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:23 PM

I suppose I'll join the dogpile.

It is far easier to mod a 3B into a war-capable configuration than it is an LS. A poorly-modded LS will be a great handicap in a war, whereas you can't really screw up a 3B mod. And whether or not a well-modded LS will perform better than a well-modded 3B is... not a question with a clear answer.

Make your life simple: buy a 3B.
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Posted 02 April 2009 - 11:49 PM

I suppose I'll join the dogpile.

It is far easier to mod a 3B into a war-capable configuration than it is an LS. A poorly-modded LS will be a great handicap in a war, whereas you can't really screw up a 3B mod. And whether or not a well-modded LS will perform better than a well-modded 3B is... not a question with a clear answer.

Make your life simple: buy a 3B.


Ha I'm sure I may find a way to screw up a bbb time will tell though. That'll be my next mod after I finish my night-chucks.
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Posted 03 April 2009 - 06:43 PM

What are the ranges like for a bbb with a simple coupler mod without upgrading the springs? I'm not nearly advanced enough to mod a longshot but I figure a simple mod for a bbb might be a fun way to spend a night or two.



With a simple coupler mod, AR Removal, Dead Space removal. I would see that getting 70ft, possibly 80.


The BBB will not work too well with petg, I know what foam you have, you will hate it with a petg breech. Either mod it for brass or for cpvc.



Not true.

My BBB (before it's debut at the Spring toronto war) shot 50 ft with just dead space removal. I then quickly grabbed a NF spring and put it in along with the original spring and it got 70 ft as you saw at the war applefury.

As for accuracy, the BBB has potential if you use proper darts with no hot glue beyond the rim of the top of the foam.


Pearson2: Brass can be nested into PVC allowing a coupling configuration without a breech.


My additional input on the subject.

Peace,

Edited by Dude13, 03 April 2009 - 06:44 PM.

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