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#1 slowguitarman

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 05:44 PM

After some searching, I am unsure as to whether or not someone has actually completed this type of mod before. From what I found, I didn't see that any had, so I am posting mine with a writeup. I also have to say that my gun isn't complete. This was just to test out the idea before performing the mod on Miget's Mav.

Stuff you'll need:

-Dremel with:
Cutting bit
Small sanding drum or similar high-speed cutter
-Phillips screwdriver
-Hot glue gun
-1/8" Polycarbonate sheet
-2' Petg

The best place to start is probably the turret because it is nice and easy.

In order for the mod to work, you also have to do the "roulette mod."

After the "roulette mod," you have to disassemble it and then cut off the original barrels:

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After that, use your bit of choice to widen the holes in the back of the turret. The hole should be wide enough to get a dart through but not wide enough for the petg to go through. You should have a small lip:

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After that, all you have to do is cut and insert the petg:

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I had the best luck with 2.5" barrels.

Now put your turret back together and sit it aside.

Onto the shell!

All you have to do to the shell is turn the oval-shaped opening for the plunger tube into a rectangle. The rectangle should be about 1" wide (2.5cm):

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Now for the plunger tube.

I personally did the "straw mod" on mine, but it isn't necessary. You also need to get a good seal in the tube, so use whatever method you prefer (new o-ring, e-tape, etc.)

You also need to shorten the little oval that sticks out of the front on the plunger tube. After cutting it down, it should be about half the length that it was originally. Be careful with this part because if you leave the oval too long, the turret won't be able to rotate.

Now, for the rear-loading to work, you need to make the turret seal against a larger area than that little oval. To do this, cut a rectangle of polycarbonate that fills the rectangle that's cut into the shell of the gun. You have to make sure that it's large enough to cover the entire hole in the back of the turret. Once you cut that rectangle, attach it to your plunger and drill a hole in where the opening is:

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This will probably be the trickiest part of the mod. You have to get that rectangle large enough to seal but not so large that it doesn't fit with the turret in.

After doing all of that, I would recommend that you do CaptainSlug's mod of relocating the trigger spring and gluing the clutch together. If you do that mod, your turret should rotate pretty nicely.

Put it all back together and you're done!

Ranges:

I don't have officially measured ranges, but I am getting about the same ranges as I was with the mav on Miget, so this mod definitely doesn't hurt ranges, and in most cases, it will probably help your ranges because it now has a good seal.

I realize that the mav isn't the greatest, but there is already one stuck to my LS, so I am going to try to make it decent, at least.

Questions? Comments? Insertion into the mod directory?

Thanks for reading!

Edited by slowguitarman, 29 March 2009 - 09:21 PM.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 05:47 PM

That's great! Could you make the hole from the plunger to the turret wider?
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 05:50 PM

That's great! Could you make the hole from the plunger to the turret wider?


There's no point in making the hole wider than the straw. If you don't do the straw mod, you could make the hole larger, and it should help.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 06:39 PM

Would you be able to use the stock barrels still or do you have to switch to a different barrel material? If you do have to use a different barrel material would cpvc work?
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 06:46 PM

Meh. Personally, I don't really see the point. The Mav is small enough to not really be a bother to front load, and this doesn't allow any more acess to more barrels (even with the roulette mod you have to spin the turret to front load all the barrels).

But this has been attempted to be accomplish many, many times, so I applaud you that you actually pulled it off. Good work.

What are your ranges? I'm expecting it increases ranges...
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 06:54 PM

Good job. I'm glad to see a sucessful one of these.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 06:58 PM

Would you be able to use the stock barrels still or do you have to switch to a different barrel material? If you do have to use a different barrel material would cpvc work?


Yes, you have to use a different barrel material other than the stock barrels, and cpvc would work, but it would take more effort. Start to finish this mod took me about half an hour.

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Nice work, though.


Fixed. I hope you at least got the implied joke there.


Meh. Personally, I don't really see the point. The Mav is small enough to not really be a bother to front load, and this doesn't allow any more acess to more barrels (even with the roulette mod you have to spin the turret to front load all the barrels).

But this has been attempted to be accomplish many, many times, so I applaud you that you actually pulled it off. Good work.

What are your ranges? I'm expecting it increases ranges...


The point is to not have to use a ramrod. No matter how small it is, ramrodding takes more time than rear-loading. You also don't need access to more than one barrel at a time. Load a dart, rotate slightly, load a dart...not that hard.

You're right though that this has been tried before and not accomplished(as far as I know), so that was another big part of wanting to do this.

I don't have ranges, and I won't have ranges anytime soon. As of my latest time of shooting it, it shoots better than it did previously. I'm just hoping to get 50' flat by the time I'm done. That's enough for a Massacre rushing gun.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:07 PM

Way cool! I agree, a ramrod is way too much time. Rear-loading makes much more sense.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:38 PM

That'll save some reloading time and I love the name QUEEN FOREVER!
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:41 PM

Buuuuuuut, the barrels in any given maverick usually won't be long enough for this to be much better than loading from the front of the barrels.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:44 PM

Buuuuuuut, the barrels in any given maverick usually won't be long enough for this to be much better than loading from the front of the barrels.


Exactly what I was thinking to SGM's reply CS. Ramrodding doesn't really do anything with Mavs...

So again, I don't really see the point. But whatever, good thinking and even better work. I respect that you actually pulled it off.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 07:53 PM

I am going to just avoid saying what I would like to and just say this: if you think it's pointless, don't do it. It's an easy mod that nobody has accomplished before, so I posted it. Next time, I'll be sure to keep to myself.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:36 PM

For those who don't get the joke, Freddy takes it from behind? Nice mod, I just got a few clear Mavs and wanted to try this, but didn't want to risk breaking one.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:46 PM

SGM: I'm not trying to rip you down or carry out an argument here. I respect and appreciate the work you do and you're very talented, but I just personally don't see the point of a rear-loading Mav. I respect that you worked hard and figured out a way to accomplish something that has been tried for a long time now. I would have said the same thing if anyone else had made it. Sorry if I came across harsh or acting like you didn't do anything great; because you did.

So... good work. Let's take it to PMs if we need to add anything more.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:47 PM

I'd like to thank you, SGM, for posting this, especially because you ran the risk of being told this mod is "pointless."

I think this mod is useful in the sense that it is almost a cosmetic mod. Though I have a maverick in my collection I never use it, I simply keep it around because its cool. There is something appealing about having a revolver. And by making the toy rear-loading, SGM's mod adds to the appeal of the maverick.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:53 PM

Insertion into the mod directory?

I hope so.

I think that if you did a nit-mav with an extended plunger tube/plunger, an extended turret/(bars on top of and under the turret), and this mod you would have one hell of a beast!

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 09:02 PM

For those who don't get the joke, Freddy takes it from behind? Nice mod, I just got a few clear Mavs and wanted to try this, but didn't want to risk breaking one.


Yes, that is the joke.

SGM: I'm not trying to rip you down or carry out an argument here. I respect and appreciate the work you do and you're very talented, but I just personally don't see the point of a rear-loading Mav. I respect that you worked hard and figured out a way to accomplish something that has been tried for a long time now. I would have said the same thing if anyone else had made it. Sorry if I came across harsh or acting like you didn't do anything great; because you did.

So... good work. Let's take it to PMs if we need to add anything more.


I didn't mean to insinuate that you were trying to tear me down in some way. I realize that not everyone will like this stuff. It wasn't your post that I had a problem with. I'll leave it at that.

I'd like to thank you, SGM, for posting this, especially because you ran the risk of being told this mod is "pointless."

I think this mod is useful in the sense that it is almost a cosmetic mod. Though I have a maverick in my collection I never use it, I simply keep it around because its cool. There is something appealing about having a revolver. And by making the toy rear-loading, SGM's mod adds to the appeal of the maverick.

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I never thought of it quite like that, but it is cosmetic, in a way. It just makes it cooler to have rear-loading.

Insertion into the mod directory?

I hope so.

I think that if you did a nit-mav with an extended plunger tube/plunger, an extended turret/(bars on top of and under the turret), and this mod you would have one hell of a beast!


That could be a heck of a gun, but I won't be doing it. This mod is intended for the mav mounted on my LS, and there is absolutely no room between the Mav and LS clip for anything.

Thanks to everyone that has posted constructively in this thread. It's appreciated.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 09:19 PM

Fixed. I hope you at least got the implied joke there.



Gunpowder, gelatine / dynamite with a laser beam?

No, actually, I'd prefer to pretend that I never got it. I will always have tremendous respect for Freddie as a musician, and not be bothered by his personal predilections, other than to be sad that they may have shortened his brilliant career.


Don't get me wrong there, Bob, I am a huge fan of Queen. Freddie was a tremendously talented singer. That doesn't change the fact that he was a rear-loading maverick, and he died because of it. It's really a shame.

Now, no more posting about Freddie. If you want to talk about Queen, pm me.

EDIT: Didn't realize I was spelling "Freddie" a different way than he spelled it.

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Posted 30 March 2009 - 11:28 AM

Good job, I have known a few people that have tried this and failed, ruining many Mavs in the process.
I may actually do this to one of mine.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 11:44 AM

Can we see a picture of the gun all put together?
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:13 PM

Can we see a picture of the gun all put together?

Nope. There isn't one. As I said in the first post, this isn't finished. It was just a test to make sure it worked before I did it to the mav on my LS. It would look exactly like a stock mav when all closed up though.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:19 PM

I am going to just avoid saying what I would like to and just say this: if you think it's pointless, don't do it. It's an easy mod that nobody has accomplished before, so I posted it. Next time, I'll be sure to keep to myself.


You are, of course, free to speak your mind and encouraged to answer peoples' comments concerning your modfication. However, if you are going to take the attitude that no one should be commenting on the practicality or utility of your mod, you're going to be disapointed in these forums time and time again. The idea that the success of a modification should be more important than the impact of the modification on an actual nerf war is something I've always found absurd.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 12:46 PM

I am going to just avoid saying what I would like to and just say this: if you think it's pointless, don't do it. It's an easy mod that nobody has accomplished before, so I posted it. Next time, I'll be sure to keep to myself.


You are, of course, free to speak your mind and encouraged to answer peoples' comments concerning your modfication. However, if you are going to take the attitude that no one should be commenting on the practicality or utility of your mod, you're going to be disapointed in these forums time and time again. The idea that the success of a modification should be more important than the impact of the modification on an actual nerf war is something I've always found absurd.


I don't mind someone saying that they think my mod isn't useful, but I do have a problem when people just pop in to say that it's pointless without saying anything else. I think this mod will help in a war situation. My LS is moving forward because of Massacre, and having a maverick that I can fire and reload quickly should be of use in that type of situation. The rear-loading could also be used in something like the mod done to put a semi-auto 2K in a mav. The 2K would make use of longer barrels, so, by doing mods to increase barrel length, this mod would really cut down on reload times. I would say that that's pretty practical, so even with a gun that's nearly useless in an outdoor war, this mod could be adapted to a larger mod to make a gun that's very competitive.

Again, I have no problem with nay-sayers (though I will definitely try to sway them in most cases), but I like reasoning, I guess. You should never just dismiss something because it seems useless in the moment that you see it.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 01:06 PM

Again, I have no problem with nay-sayers (though I will definitely try to sway them in most cases), but I like reasoning, I guess. You should never just dismiss something because it seems useless in the moment that you see it.


Slug gave you the reason he thought it was impractical, and Glint did what Glint does by quoting Slug and agreeing with him. Look, my point is that it's on you to convince the goers of these forums that your contribution is a worthwhile one. If you have bigger plans for this, you should prove the naysayers wrong instead of worrying about all that nay.
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Posted 30 March 2009 - 03:01 PM

Again, I have no problem with nay-sayers (though I will definitely try to sway them in most cases), but I like reasoning, I guess. You should never just dismiss something because it seems useless in the moment that you see it.


Slug gave you the reason he thought it was impractical, and Glint did what Glint does by quoting Slug and agreeing with him. Look, my point is that it's on you to convince the goers of these forums that your contribution is a worthwhile one. If you have bigger plans for this, you should prove the naysayers wrong instead of worrying about all that nay.


Not to be nit-picky, but Glint actually posted his opinion before Slug. I guess I am just reading things wrong. I don't really see this conversation going anywhere, so I am just going to leave it before I talk myself into a hole. I don't see it as impractical, yet some people do. That's just how it is. Like I said, next time I make something that isn't going to start a revolution like the +bow or Angel breech, I will just keep it to myself.

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