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#1 slowguitarman

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 05:37 PM

Because of reasons which I cannot state, I want to know if anyone has modified a Longshot to shoot 90'+ flat without doing any mods to the breech other than sealing the little hole in it.

It should be obvious that I did search for this info before posting. Most of what I found, I do not believe, and most of what I found wasn't really relevant to what I was looking for.

DO NOT POST here if you aren't posting with ACCURATE, MEASURED and FLAT ranges, and this info should be first-hand info. It should be either your gun, a gun that you helped to range test or a link to a gun that may answer my question. I have done a good bit of work with the LS, and I know what kind of ranges I was getting for the mods I have done.

DO NOT make this a dick-wagging contest or a flame-fest. Again, I will probably know whether or not you are lying by what you post.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 05:42 PM

With the stock breech, I could max out at about 75' maybe 80'. This was with the stock spring, a big bad bow spring, and a stretched nite finder spring.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 05:49 PM

65'-70' accuracy=shit.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 05:57 PM

95', I used Sluggy's plunger head, 1/3 of a +Bow spring, 1/2 of an AR-15 spring, and BBB spring. Kicked like a pissed-off jackass, for a Nerf gun.

EDIT: I used a brass & fiberglass boltsled I built. No, I won't sell them, it took 30 hours of work to build it. Unless someone paid me $50..... Not worth it.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:07 PM

95', I used Sluggy's plunger head, 1/3 of a +Bow spring, 1/2 of an AR-15 spring, and BBB spring. Kicked like a pissed-off jackass, for a Nerf gun.

EDIT: I used a brass & fiberglass boltsled I built. No, I won't sell them, it took 30 hours of work to build it. Unless someone paid me $50..... Not worth it.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:07 PM

Yeah, I've got to agree with what's already been said. The best I've ever hit with a stock breech is 76'4" . That was with a new plunger head, LS Recon and high strength industrial springs, holes filled, dart tooth removed,
and re-barreled with 9/16 brass. This sucker was borderline with all the spring strength, and it only hit that distance once or twice, most of the time it was 65'-70', and on one shot it was around 25' (don't know what happened there other than the dart spinning like a top on it way out.) Not that you could aim at anything either there was a spread of around 4' on the 12 shots I tested with.


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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:13 PM

95', I used Sluggy's plunger head, 1/3 of a +Bow spring, 1/2 of an AR-15 spring, and BBB spring. Kicked like a pissed-off jackass, for a Nerf gun.

EDIT: I used a brass & fiberglass boltsled I built. No, I won't sell them, it took 30 hours of work to build it. Unless someone paid me $50..... Not worth it.


Zorn pointed this out in chat and it's worth bringing forward: aren't the Plusbow and AR-15 springs identical in terms of wire gauge and OD? They wouldn't fit in the same gun without coiling them together, and that would make it almost impossible to compress. I doubt your claims but I encourage you to dispel it.

Before I singled my Longshot it was hitting sixty-five with a small amount of dart skip using streamlines with the tips cut off; it had a Longshot and BBB spring inside of it.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 06:55 PM

So far, I am seeing what I expected. Thanks for everyone so far who posted good information.

Nerfnut23, I too encourage you too somehow prove that you're not full of it, but I very, very highly doubt what you've said. Not just the ranges, but I am pretty sure that there is no way that you can shove three nearly identically sized springs into one gun and make it work. I have never seen an AR-15 in person, but the pics make it look similar in size to a BBB spring, and the BBB spring and +bow springs are really close in size. The +bow = 0.844" OD while the BBB = 0.906" OD which makes them less than 1/16" different in OD.

EDIT in response to BD's post: You're one of the people that I hoped would post because I didn't believe what you said before. While I find 80' questionable, it is fairly believable with streamline darts because of their terrible inconsistency. I have also wondered about a straw mod on the LS, but never thought too much into it. Even if the 80' isn't at all exaggerated, it still proves my point.

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Posted 28 March 2009 - 07:23 PM

Okay, because I have put up with A LOT of "bullshit" stuff, I'm going to use this thread to clear my name and help out one of the more renowned nerfers on the site.

with a stock breech, AR's removed WITHOUT the little hole plugged, I was able to hit about 80' w/ streamlines. There was A LOT of fishtailing and I wouldn't bother with it at a nerf war without further modification. By plugging the little hole I could likely increase air flow by a lot.

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The real question is: Would an LS benefit from a "Straw Mod"? There's A TON of dead space between the actual dart portion and the plunger tube.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 08:12 PM

So far, I am seeing what I expected. Thanks for everyone so far who posted good information.

Nerfnut23, I too encourage you too somehow prove that you're not full of it, but I very, very highly doubt what you've said. Not just the ranges, but I am pretty sure that there is no way that you can shove three nearly identically sized springs into one gun and make it work. I have never seen an AR-15 in person, but the pics make it look similar in size to a BBB spring, and the BBB spring and +bow springs are really close in size. The +bow = 0.844" OD while the BBB = 0.906" OD which makes them less than 1/16" different in OD.

EDIT in response to BD's post: You're one of the people that I hoped would post because I didn't believe what you said before. While I find 80' questionable, it is fairly believable with streamline darts because of their terrible inconsistency. I have also wondered about a straw mod on the LS, but never thought too much into it. Even if the 80' isn't at all exaggerated, it still proves my point.


The best hit I can get out of a longshot with the breech intact was 114' max. The highest gun average was 104'.

Note: I kept the stock assembly intact, but built it into a PETG Semi breach using foam, glue, and a bit of tweaking.

I have made 6 total of those variety.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 08:21 PM

With the stock breech, AR (not pegs) removal, stock spring and two Mav springs my LS can hit 58' to 65' with streamlines, accuracy is abysmal.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 08:38 PM

The best hit I can get out of a longshot with the breech intact was 114' max. The highest gun average was 104'.

Note: I kept the stock assembly intact, but built it into a PETG Semi breach using foam, glue, and a bit of tweaking.

I have made 6 total of those variety.


That doesn't count. Even if the old breech is still intact, it isn't technically used.

Even though it doesn't count toward what I am asking, I would like for you to shed some light on what you did to get those ranges (a search yielded nothing, unless I missed it somehow). While I don't see 114' out of the realm of possibility, I don't believe it without some insane reinforcement, some very strong springs and of course some internal pictures and possibly a video. I have an LS/RFSG/BBB spring combo in my LS with an Angel breech, and it shoots 90'. If you don't want to post what you did, pm me with the info.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 08:46 PM

quote from http://nerfhaven.com...?showtopic=7002

Very, very awesome! 99' was the highest distance. There was a light, swirling wind that could have either helped or hurt the distances. I held the gun parallel to the ground and was using the stock darts. As you can see, the stock darts are extremely inaccurate due to the hole in the hollow rubber tip. The wind throws the dart for a loop literally. Sometimes this helps ranges, sometimes it hurts it. I haven't tried stefans yet, but will soon.

Here is the internal pic of the plunger. A BBB spring plus the Longshot spring is a deadly mix.

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99' with stock darts, add a CS style plunger head and some stefans and it should easily get ranges past 100'.
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Posted 28 March 2009 - 09:22 PM

No need to link and post all that. Linking to the post would have been sufficient. Thanks for pointing out that post though.

I missed that part of his thread, but I have a very hard time believing that unless the wind he is talking about was giving his darts a very nice boost. When I had just an LS/BBB spring in mine with the Angel breech, I was getting 65'-75', and about 10' less without the new breech. I see no reason why carrtoon's LS with ARs removed and just an LS/BBB spring would out-range everyone else's LS with the same mods by more than 20'. He is even using the same setup of o-rings as what I used.

I'm not saying that he is lying, but there is no way that those are typical ranges. He either had some sort of freaky luck or the wind made his darts sail like crazy.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 02:32 AM

The best hit I can get out of a longshot with the breech intact was 114' max. The highest gun average was 104'.

Note: I kept the stock assembly intact, but built it into a PETG Semi breach using foam, glue, and a bit of tweaking.

I have made 6 total of those variety.


That doesn't count. Even if the old breech is still intact, it isn't technically used.

Even though it doesn't count toward what I am asking, I would like for you to shed some light on what you did to get those ranges (a search yielded nothing, unless I missed it somehow). While I don't see 114' out of the realm of possibility, I don't believe it without some insane reinforcement, some very strong springs and of course some internal pictures and possibly a video. I have an LS/RFSG/BBB spring combo in my LS with an Angel breech, and it shoots 90'. If you don't want to post what you did, pm me with the info.


It more so lies in the seal of the dart and PETG barrel than in the spring power. I used a heat tempered Ace (I want to say it was a 49, but I did about 10 of them about a year ago, and haven't bought any of them recently).

It is fairly reasonable to prime and fire. I had started a writeup for it at the beginning of the year, but my hard drive crashed before I finished the project I was working on. (Yeah yeah, fake excuses, etc. I know. I'll get something up... eventually. Until then, feel free to fly the bull shit flag to your heart's content.)

It operates by feeding the darts directly into the 12' PETG barrel. Then, using foam and a bit of glue, providing a near airtight seal. Someone did a similar project about a year ago or so.

As for wear and tear, the two I sent over to the Philippines are still completely functional, even nearly two years out. I believe I got sent back a range of 94' still on the first pair I sold to a gentleman on duty in the isles.

He did mention that the first gun is developing a crack in the loading part of the barrel from the impacts of the bolt over time.

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Posted 29 March 2009 - 08:31 AM

When I had just an LS/BBB spring in mine with the Angel breech, I was getting 65'-75'...

That breech ain't treating you right. I get ~80' with a LS spring, a recon spring, and a nitefinder spring.

Furthermore, I bet a LS spring, recon Spring, BBB spring, and an AR-15 spring (if possible to fit, I've never seen one) would work nicely.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 10:00 AM

When I had just an LS/BBB spring in mine with the Angel breech, I was getting 65'-75'...

That breech ain't treating you right. I get ~80' with a LS spring, a recon spring, and a nitefinder spring.

Furthermore, I bet a LS spring, recon Spring, BBB spring, and an AR-15 spring (if possible to fit, I've never seen one) would work nicely.


These were the kind of posts I am not looking for.
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 04:38 PM

I have a industrial stretched spring with a ls spring and got 91 average until the sprung compress in about three weeks now i get about 82 average but it was hard to prime. so plug the breech and get a big industrial spring it works trust me, if u don't msg me and i will make a vid for youtube and prove it ok
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Posted 29 March 2009 - 04:55 PM

I have a industrial stretched spring with a ls spring and got 91 average until the sprung compress in about three weeks now i get about 82 average but it was hard to prime. so plug the breech and get a big industrial spring it works trust me, if u don't msg me and i will make a vid for youtube and prove it ok


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