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[slowguitarman]

First, I gotta say that I didn't intend to post this until it was 100% done, but I started this mod back in September of '07, and it got put on the back-burner, so I am going to go ahead and post it since it's pretty much functionally done.

Here she is: Miget



The name comes from a little play on its original name "Megatron Gen. 2 Tribute" or "MgtG-2T." That was annoying to say though, so since the first part is "Mgt", I decided to call it Miget.

I realize that some people don't like linked triggers, but I do, for the most part. The big problem with linking the trigger of a mav or similar blaster (like the DTB) to the trigger of an LS is that the LS has a tiny trigger pull, but the mav has a long trigger pull because of the rotation of the turret being part of the pull.

I fixed this problem by giving the LS a longer trigger pull and slightly shortening the pull on the mav.

Here's a look at the internals (minus plunger tubes and such):



Now here's a closeup of the LS trigger:



Notice how the long part coming from the trigger has been shortened and the groove of the trigger has been lengthened. The actual trigger has also been lengthened.

Here's a closeup of the mav trigger:



There wasn't as much done on this end, but to make sure the rotation worked fine, I added two return springs. I also added a bit of JB Kwik to the part of the trigger that moves this catch, which makes the gun fire sooner. Since the gun fires sooner, I also had to modify the rotation gear to make sure the turret was in place to be fired. To do this, I shortened the back half of the gear and sanded the back of the teeth on the front half. I am not going to go into a lot of detail here unless someone actually plans on replicating this, then I will try to help as much as I can.

The two triggers are linked with Spider-Wire fishing line, which is amazing stuff. It doesn't stretch or break. This was the only suitable type of line I found for the job. I tried many guitar strings of differing gauges and other fishing lines, but they all either broke or stretched too much. The guitar strings also gave a very hard trigger pull. The line is also run through little pieces of pipe to keep it from getting shredded by the shell.

Both of the guns have the typical mods done to them. Mav has a LS frontgun spring added, improved seal, ARs removed and cocking bar reinforced. The LS has an LS/BBB/RFSG spring combo in it, an Angel breech, added o-rings and reinforced catch.

There is something about the Angel breech that I changed though. I have never seen anyone else do this, so I will post it up. The little orange nub that was glued to the 19/32" brass kept breaking on me. I used fishin' glue and I tried letting it cure for a long time before using it, but even with just the LS/BBB springs, it would break after a magazine or so worth of shots. Because of that and something that Forsaken told me while I was in Canada, I decided to get this thing working better.



I sanded down half of the original barrel and sanded down the edges, so the mags could fit over the breech still. Now, even with the three springs I have in there, it hasn't broke after loads of firing tests.

RANGES:

I know that someone will inevitably ask, so I will just post them now.

LS: Average 90'

All tests were done outside with no wind in ~40* weather with felt-tipped stefans weighted with 3/0 fishing weights. I measured the spacing of the parking lines and then counted lines. I also shot at CNP and hit her in the middle of the back 3 out of 4 times from 72'

Mav: Average 35'

All testing was done indoors with felt-tipped stefans weighted with a single BB. I measured these ranges with a tape measure. It's not as good as I'd like, but hopefully I can get it shooting better with one of Lt. Stefan's springs.

I also made a shotgun grip for this, but I may not use it. I made it from steel, so it is quite heavy. Also, I have elbow troubles from a motorcycle crash a few years ago, so priming a high-powered gun with my left arm repeatedly makes it hurt quite a bit. With the regular LS priming mech, it is easier to just grab the handle and then push forward with my right arm.

Hopefully my trigger-linking technique will be useful for someone here. Also, if anyone wants pictures of the shotgun grip I made, I will post some.

Questions? Comments?

Edited by slowguitarman, 23 March 2009 - 05:52 PM.

[rokor]

, All I can saw is wow. That looks amazing, but can I ask why you didn't bother making it all pretty? I noticed most of your work is done with mainly cosmetics involved.

[Lt Stefan]

Did you have to sand down the inside of the front of the plunger to get that large of the bolt piece to fit inside? There doesn't seem to be enough room for me to put that big of a section of the bolt piece on.

[Salindin Naz]

Very nice!! That's a very clean integration, though the paint make me cringe a bit. Just one question though, how do you cock the mav with that High-Cap mag? Did you cut a slot in the back of the mav's cocking mech so it can slide past? Or is it just back-up for when your clips are spent?

Salindin

[slowguitarman]

, All I can saw is wow. That looks amazing, but can I ask why you didn't bother making it all pretty? I noticed most of your work is done with mainly cosmetics involved.

I just haven't finished it yet. Until yesterday, I didn't plan on even making it functional again. The empty shell has been in my closest for almost a year.

Did you have to sand down the inside of the front of the plunger to get that large of the bolt piece to fit inside? There doesn't seem to be enough room for me to put that big of a section of the bolt piece on.

You have the sand the inside of the bolt piece enough that the brass fits nicely inside of it. You do not have to sand the plunger tube at all. You only have to sand the bolt piece.

Very nice!! That's a very clean integration, though the paint make me cringe a bit. Just one question though, how do you cock the mav with that High-Cap mag? Did you cut a slot in the back of the mav's cocking mech so it can slide past? Or is it just back-up for when your clips are spent?

Salindin

I knew I should have addressed this. The mav can't be primed when the high-cap is in. It can only be used with standard mags. It's a last resort/rushing type of gun. As for the paint, that was an accident. It is going to be painted in the same fashion as the Gen 2 Megatron toy, but I accidentally used some sort of ground marking paint instead of real paint, so I had to scrape and sand most of it off. I know that it's ugly right now. It is only even painted on one side...the other side is stock colors.

Edited by slowguitarman, 23 March 2009 - 05:21 PM.

[Lt Stefan]

Did you have to sand down the inside of the front of the plunger to get that large of the bolt piece to fit inside? There doesn't seem to be enough room for me to put that big of a section of the bolt piece on.

You have the sand the inside of the bolt piece enough that the brass fits nicely inside of it. You do not have to sand the plunger tube at all. You only have to sand the bolt piece.

I didn't mean that... I meant do you have to sand the inside of the front of the front portion of the plunger tube because, in my experience, the bolt piece on top of the 19/32" brass will not fit inside the plunger tube.

[slowguitarman]

Did you have to sand down the inside of the front of the plunger to get that large of the bolt piece to fit inside? There doesn't seem to be enough room for me to put that big of a section of the bolt piece on.

You have the sand the inside of the bolt piece enough that the brass fits nicely inside of it. You do not have to sand the plunger tube at all. You only have to sand the bolt piece.

I didn't mean that... I meant do you have to sand the inside of the front of the front portion of the plunger tube because, in my experience, the bolt piece on top of the 19/32" brass will not fit inside the plunger tube.

Did you miss something here? or did I?

[Icespartan 1114]

Nice work man. I like this a lot, needs a sexy paint job though. But to me, this is just a slightly upgrade "Mournblade", you guys know the LS that Blacksunshine made with the maverick and that he sold on ebay with the diskshot.

[PointBlank]

Nice mod, very clean, but I'm not too crazy about the paint job.

[slowguitarman]

Nice work man. I like this a lot, needs a sexy paint job though. But to me, this is just a slightly upgrade "Mournblade", you guys know the LS that Blacksunshine made with the maverick and that he sold on ebay with the diskshot.

I don't know that it could be considered an upgrade since mine came more than a year before his.

Nice mod, very clean, but I'm not too crazy about the paint job.

Come on, guys, give me a break about the paint. As I said, that paint was an accident and a screw up. It will get re-painted eventually.

[Lt Stefan]

Did you have to sand down the inside of the front of the plunger to get that large of the bolt piece to fit inside? There doesn't seem to be enough room for me to put that big of a section of the bolt piece on.

You have the sand the inside of the bolt piece enough that the brass fits nicely inside of it. You do not have to sand the plunger tube at all. You only have to sand the bolt piece.

I didn't mean that... I meant do you have to sand the inside of the front of the front portion of the plunger tube because, in my experience, the bolt piece on top of the 19/32" brass will not fit inside the plunger tube.

Did you miss something here? or did I?

I think you thought I meant did you sand the bolt piece, not the plunger.

[slowguitarman]

I think you thought I meant did you sand the bolt piece, not the plunger.

Nope, I didn't think that at all. That's why I said that you don't have to sand the plunger tube at all. It doesn't matter who thought what anyway. You have to sand the bolt piece down, and that is it. That should clear up all confusion.

EDIT: I also changed the pic in the first post. No more messed up PJ.

Edited by slowguitarman, 23 March 2009 - 05:53 PM.

[Lt Stefan]

O ok. I misread.

[diamondbacknf1626]

Lt. Stefan, I believe you had confusion over the picture of the breach, in which the breach is open, not closed. Therefore, the bolt has no need to travel back further, meaning there is no need to sand down the plunger tube.

Also, SGM, I really like this. I've been hoping to see a mournblade esq. ls with an angel breach. I know yours came before sunshine's, but still, I haven't seen it until now. I imagine this would be a contender in a war, considering it has a hell of a lot of shots before you need to reload (and I do know this is nothing new. The same applies with DTB intigrations). I like it, and I think it'll look pretty sweet with a nice PJ. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

I'm curious though, does the brass extend all the way to the end of the extended ls frontgun barrel? If so, wouldn't it ether have to be longer than 12" of brass or is the frontgun barrel cut down? If it's longer than the brass, wouldn't it tend to decrease ranges?

EDIT- Lt. Stefan got it. I didn't see before I posted. I'll leave it up though incase anyone else wants to know, because it confused me at first glance too.

Edited by diamondbacknf1626, 23 March 2009 - 06:05 PM.

[slowguitarman]

Lt. Stefan, I believe you had confusion over the picture of the breach, in which the breach is open, not closed. Therefore, the bolt has no need to travel back further, meaning there is no need to sand down the plunger tube.

Also, SGM, I really like this. I've been hoping to see a mournblade esq. ls with an angel breach. I know yours came before sunshine's, but still, I haven't seen it until now. I imagine this would be a contender in a war, considering it has a hell of a lot of shots before you need to reload (and I do know this is nothing new. The same applies with DTB intigrations). I like it, and I think it'll look pretty sweet with a nice PJ. Can't wait to see how it turns out.

I'm curious though, does the brass extend all the way to the end of the extended ls frontgun barrel? If so, wouldn't it ether have to be longer than 12" of brass or is the frontgun barrel cut down? If it's longer than the brass, wouldn't it tend to decrease ranges?

EDIT- Lt. Stefan got it. I didn't see before I posted. I'll leave it up though incase anyone else wants to know, because it confused me at first glance too.

Actually, the breech is only partway open in that picture, but in any case, the plunger tube still doesn't need sanding. It works just as you see in the pics. This thing was made with war in mind, and I think it will work really well for the final Massacre. The range of the mav won't matter too much because it will be great for rushing.

The barrel is a typical Angel breech barrel. The frontgun barrel was added just to protect the brass, and I think it looks kinda cool, so I am leaving it like that. The frontgun barrel reaplced the old faux barrel in the LS. I sanded out the inside of the orange thing on the front of the LS so the new barrel can slide through. I am going to assume that it doesn't decrease range because there is only about 5" of fake barrel beyond the brass, and the stefan should be going straight enough to not touch that fake barrel.

EDIT: Just for fun, I did some ROF timing with the Mav, and I can fire all six shots in an average of 3.5 seconds.

Edited by slowguitarman, 23 March 2009 - 06:28 PM.

[Codename Pending]

I can vouch from seeing this LS in action, it shoots quite well (and it definitely leaves a nice welt behind). Why is it that I always end up being your test target anyway? Haha, no worries I don't mind. Anyhoo, great job and glad to see you finally got around to posting the dang thing after all this time! I can't wait to see the finished paint job because the paint you got for the Megatron theme is amazing.

By the way, you can see just a bit of your toes in the first picture.. I found that quite amusing.

[dizzyduck]

Nice mod. Paint job makes me cry.

If I didn't loathe the Longshot with every fiber of my being, I might be tempted to do something along the lines of what you did here.

[sputnik]

If I didn't loathe the Longshot with every fiber of my being, I might be tempted to do something along the lines of what you did here.

That's what I want you to paint me!

[slowguitarman]

Nice mod. Paint job makes me cry.

I showed the side that isn't even painted and you're still complaining about the paint? Do you people even read entire threads before posting?

[1337]

I actually like the green/black/stock blue still showing paint. It's pretty nuclear waste-like. Anyways, I think you could squeeze more power out of that maverick.

[slowguitarman]

I can definitely squeeze more out of the Maverick, but most of the work so far has been to get it functional and get a decent seal with the turret. I have a ton of mav turrets, so I am going to work more on making it rear-loading, which will involve re-barreling it, and I am hoping that that will help to get it shooting further.

[Equilox]

Way cool. The action is really clean (And considering the rear loading Mav technique you recently added to the Haven, this is a quite effective integration of the Mav.)

Edited by Equilox, 30 March 2009 - 09:56 PM.