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#351 KeiichiRX7

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Posted 06 May 2009 - 07:51 PM

What did you need to change on a clip to make it accept stefans? seems to me if they are the right diameter and length they should slide right in.
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 10:30 PM

What did you need to change on a clip to make it accept stefans? seems to me if they are the right diameter and length they should slide right in.

Well, see, that's the thing. Shorter stefans fly farther, and you can make more of them.

Longer stefans, say the size of a micro or a streamline, will not fly as far, and, while capable of stock acceptance in the LS, aren't as popular.
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 11:01 PM

if thats the problem, just add spacers to each of the slots in the drum, and a matching spacer to the reciever adaptor. a small modification to the spring follower will be needed, but that should about do it.

I'm not discounting the possibility that there may be other complicating factors, but having not encountered or read about such snags its really impossible for me to engineer around them. It would seem to me that a difference in length shouldnt be that big a deal, unless the darts are DRASTICLY shorter. If its a problem i'm sure i can come up with a solution that satisfied the KISS principle.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 10:53 AM

Whoa whoa whoa, there's intelligent discussion going on in here again? Why didn't anyone tell me?

if thats the problem, just add spacers to each of the slots in the drum, and a matching spacer to the reciever adaptor. a small modification to the spring follower will be needed, but that should about do it.

So the problem with that theory is that from this image:
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One could infer that that orange piece right where the darts start to go into the straight section is actually the piece that guides the darts in. So if there's a (presumably unmovable - if it were movable, it'd have to be fired with the dart) spacer there, the drum magazine would just stop.
You would have a difficult time moving that orange piece because if it were closer to the center, it would hit on the half circles that hold the darts.

I find doubling up drum mags intriguing, albeit completely unnecessary. Anyway, the difficulty with just "flipping" the second one around is that the magazine tapers inwards toward the front, making your darts on different planes, which will cause lots of jamming.

Edited by Splitlip, 07 May 2009 - 10:53 AM.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 02:12 PM

Does anybody else feel that this would be very uncomfortable on an LS or a Recon? Wouldn't the drum be right where your forearm would naturaly be? <_<
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 03:02 PM

Does anybody else feel that this would be very uncomfortable on an LS or a Recon? Wouldn't the drum be right where your forearm would naturaly be? <_<

Yes it would be uncomfortable on the Longshot if you are right handed, especially if you were using a fore grip.

EDIT: Sorry lefties forgot to think enough first, but that is what the edit button is for.

Edited by The_Nerf_Devil, 07 May 2009 - 07:03 PM.

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Posted 07 May 2009 - 03:18 PM

What both of you are assuming is that everyone is right handed.
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Posted 07 May 2009 - 06:25 PM

What both of you are assuming is that everyone is right handed.

Again, we come to the lefties and the lefty-flippers (IE the ones who can't hold guns right-handed, or prefer not to) note.

However, the majority of people are right-handed. Therein lies the problem.

Back to the more pressing note of darts, I really doubt one could make this accept short stefans. If anyone can do it, it'll probably one of the frequent modders, like Boltsniper (Who, I heard, was the first to make the LS Clip accept stefans) or Angel, for abounding obvious reasons. (I swear, if that says loser, I'm gonna be so pissed)
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 01:50 AM

Whoa whoa whoa, there's intelligent discussion going on in here again? Why didn't anyone tell me?

So the problem with that theory is that from this image:
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One could infer that that orange piece right where the darts start to go into the straight section is actually the piece that guides the darts in. So if there's a (presumably unmovable - if it were movable, it'd have to be fired with the dart) spacer there, the drum magazine would just stop.
You would have a difficult time moving that orange piece because if it were closer to the center, it would hit on the half circles that hold the darts.

I find doubling up drum mags intriguing, albeit completely unnecessary. Anyway, the difficulty with just "flipping" the second one around is that the magazine tapers inwards toward the front, making your darts on different planes, which will cause lots of jamming.


Already thought about that actually. You'd have to trim the forward edge of that reciever adaptor guide according tot he length of spacer youre adding. I just figured it was too obvious to mention since it was neccisatated by the addition of the spacers. Yes youre absolutely right, you'd have to trim the "leading edge" of that part accordingly to allow the spacers to pass under the guide. shouldnt be any more difficult in practice than trimming anything else for clearance when you do integration modifications, and in fact ebing an internal modification, doesnt need to be as pretty.

In otherwords, the guide has to remain intact, but only an ammount equal to the length of the darts youre using. If youre using a half inch spacer, you woud take half an inch (maybe a bitmroe just for clearances sake) off of the muzzle side of the guide. Of course there is another possibility that hasn't been brought up, and that is that the dart carrier inside the drum is nto actualyl the full length of a dart and in that case the empty space no longer used by your stefans would need to be filled with a static filler to tke up the space.

I'd love to get my hands on one and tear into it just to engineer a solution to your problem with stefans, but someone would have to send me one. I'm going to buy one for myself, but I'm not going to buy one to modify it and make it feed a type of ammo I don't use. However If and when an extra one lands in my lap i'll gladly do a full teardown and rebuild.

Edited by KeiichiRX7, 08 May 2009 - 02:03 AM.

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Posted 08 May 2009 - 03:01 PM

Well, this drum magazine is a blessing and a curse at the same time for me. As my left eye is dominant, I obviously shoot lefty. This drum magazine is a curse because when I use the Raider, the weight distribution is going to want to go to my left instead of my right, so it will be slightly awkward to hold. But, it's a blessing because the bulk of the magazine will be on the left, so when it's upside down in a longshot or a recon, I can actually use my off-hand comfortably with the fore grip. I don't know what to make of the situation so far. I really want to use the raider, but it may not work with me very well because of the weight distribution. However, it could be very possible to counteract the weight problem by gluing tiny weights into the internal hollow spaces on the right side of the raider shell. I'm not talking about making it five pounds or something like that, I just want to balance the weight so that its more comfortable. What do you guys think of that solution?
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 06:42 PM

Well, this drum magazine is a blessing and a curse at the same time for me. As my left eye is dominant, I obviously shoot lefty. This drum magazine is a curse because when I use the Raider, the weight distribution is going to want to go to my left instead of my right, so it will be slightly awkward to hold. But, it's a blessing because the bulk of the magazine will be on the left, so when it's upside down in a Longshot or a Recon, I can actually use my off-hand comfortably with the fore grip. I don't know what to make of the situation so far. I really want to use the raider, but it may not work with me very well because of the weight distribution. However, it could be very possible to counteract the weight problem by gluing tiny weights into the internal hollow spaces on the right side of the raider shell. I'm not talking about making it five pounds or something like that, I just want to balance the weight so that its more comfortable. What do you guys think of that solution?


Most people seem to think that weight distribution is going to be a problem for the Raider; fears about the drum magazine breaking off, etc, but I think it would be hilarious if Nerf put into production a gun that the magazine snaps off from if you apply any kind of vertical force. To answer your specific question, Mehku, simple physics is the answer, as it is for everything. Assuming that the drum magazine weighs half-a-pound (0.25 kg) and is located 1 or so decimeters (circa 0.1m) from the central axis of the gun and that the shell has 3 cm (0.03m) of space to attach weight to on the opposite side, you will need 1.83 (repeating of course) kilograms of weight to have no torque at rest. This is almost 2 pounds. Given how generous I was in saying that you have 3 cm to work with, the actual number is probably closer to 3 or 4 pounds. This isn't extreme, but it is more weight than might be desirable in a gun of this size. Your call, really.

I have a question of my own; would it be possible, once we know how the Raider achieves it, to retrofit Longshots and Recons to have slam-fire mode? I figure it will depend on precisely how the Raider does it, but if it doesn't involve reconfiguring the whole internal set-up, maybe someone could reconfigure a gun to have slam-fire, possibly before the Raider actually launches. This would give everyone something to tinker with instead of merely speculating. My (adjusted for inflation) 50 cents.
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 10:56 PM

No reason it should be impossible. Obviously more practical with a foregrip slide action than with the recon and longshot's standard bolt actions. i expect the neccisary changes to all be to the boltsled.
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 11:10 PM

As I don't see much hope for range on this blaster, I don't see the need to worry about using short stefans in it. Just use stefans the same size as stock darts.

Perhaps, that's just me, but it makes my life easier.


Moving on, I tend to wonder what sort of device one would attach to the upper mounting points in tandem. This has been brought up, but it has never been fully answered. Some say new accessories. I ask, what sorts of accessories would be mounted in tandem like that?
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Posted 08 May 2009 - 11:55 PM

As I don't see much hope for range on this blaster, I don't see the need to worry about using short stefans in it. Just use stefans the same si
Moving on, I tend to wonder what sort of device one would attach to the upper mounting points in tandem. This has been brought up, but it has never been fully answered. Some say new accessories. I ask, what sorts of accessories would be mounted in tandem like that?


You know, that is a good question. Multiple scopes? :) Two Titans? There really isn't anything in the current production line that could make you of two rails. The only logical answer is new accessories.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 12:11 AM

As I don't see much hope for range on this blaster, I don't see the need to worry about using short stefans in it. Just use stefans the same si
Moving on, I tend to wonder what sort of device one would attach to the upper mounting points in tandem. This has been brought up, but it has never been fully answered. Some say new accessories. I ask, what sorts of accessories would be mounted in tandem like that?


You know, that is a good question. Multiple scopes? :) Two Titans? There really isn't anything in the current production line that could make you of two rails. The only logical answer is new accessories.


It could also be personal preferance. I know a few people who use additions on their recon barrels, rather than the slide. The other reason for this is its easier to reload the recon this way. But you never know.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 01:40 AM

Has anyone realized that all the guns that nerf has made are extremly low on power...

This could just be a pump action recon.

Edited by canadiannerf, 09 May 2009 - 01:40 AM.

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Posted 09 May 2009 - 06:29 AM

Has anyone realized that all the guns that nerf has made are extremly low on power...


That's because they have something called air restrictors. If you remove these, replace the barrel, and remove the peg, you can shoot homemade nerf darts called stefans really well.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:50 PM

Has anyone realized that all the guns that nerf has made are extremly low on power...

This could just be a pump action recon.



That's because they have something called air restrictors. If you remove these, replace the barrel, and remove the peg, you can shoot homemade nerf darts called stefans really well.


First guy, that's right. Both parts. However, it's a slamfire pump-action Recon that doesn't have any removable parts, save the magazine and, it seems, the stock.

Also, shape up. Questions are ended not with Ellipsis, but with a question mark.




Second guy, stop being an idiot. That's not what he means. If you take a stock gun now and compare it to many stock guns of years ago, you'll see that the ones now suck. Look at, say, the original LS. It had a stock range of around 20-30 feet. The LS being produced now has a smaller spring and a different air restrictor. Its maximum stock range is around 15 feet.




Moving on, I would definitely stick two titans on that. That would be a sight to behold. One pointed at the enemies, one at the one pointed at the enemies.
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 10:23 PM

As I don't see much hope for range on this blaster, I don't see the need to worry about using short stefans in it. Just use stefans the same si
Moving on, I tend to wonder what sort of device one would attach to the upper mounting points in tandem. This has been brought up, but it has never been fully answered. Some say new accessories. I ask, what sorts of accessories would be mounted in tandem like that?


You know, that is a good question. Multiple scopes? :P Two Titans? There really isn't anything in the current production line that could make you of two rails. The only logical answer is new accessories.


One would hope for new accessories, thinking that there was no need for the attachments already in stores, but the vulcan had three rails meant for accessories that are out now, though with no use to the gun. They'll probably just say stick the laser light and flash light accessories on it. What more attachments can they make?
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 12:24 AM

One would hope for new accessories, thinking that there was no need for the attachments already in stores, but the vulcan had three rails meant for accessories that are out now, though with no use to the gun. They'll probably just say stick the laser light and flash light accessories on it. What more attachments can they make?

The Vulcan has 3 rails as a kid's toy, to make them buy the Recon, the Longshot, and the stupid Tactical Mission set. You stick the flashlight on one side, the Red-dot on the other, and an LS Scope on top.

However, none of the rails are tandem rails, and that's the point Draconis and I are making.

Perhaps, there could be even some sort of long attachement that requires two rails and mounting points, each set on a sliding mechanism like the Recon light.
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 01:47 AM

IF something were to use a tandem rail, i would say it would have to be some sort of over barrel launcher (possibly ball launcher) that would need teh added stability of a 2-point rail system. alternatively i could see using such a thing for a 2 point dart/magazine rack/holder again somethign that would belefit from the stability of the 2 point system. as far as combinations i could see being useful, If you have a disk shot and the green tac light (the red one sucks, darts drop too far too fast for a red dot to be useful, and the wide angle setting isnt wide angle enough to be useful) one could use the light to spotlight targets and the remote to trigger targets. I can also see making a good case for a 2 piece open sight system with a rail mounted forward bead, and a peep sight like the recon comes with (actually one of the more useful rail mounted devices)


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This could just be a pump action recon.


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Posted 10 May 2009 - 02:46 PM

Well, the new gun looks very nice for a few reasons. The first one is the way the stock looks. It looks very sturdy. Also, the clip will go go into the longshot and recon. 30 shots? Sounds like a good gun to buy. Anyone know how much it costs ? Note:sent on my iPhone
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 03:27 PM

Don't know if anyone knows this but the release of the Raider CS-35 is supposed to be 07/31/09. I got this information from Linkage I can't wait.
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 03:45 PM

Don't know if anyone knows this but the release of the Raider CS-35 is supposed to be 07/31/09. I got this information from Linkage I can't wait.


You do know that's a UK website and release date right? They won't ship to the US.

You yanks should be getting it earlier. That's where I preordered mine from.
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Posted 10 May 2009 - 04:32 PM

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And the grammar sure doesn't be flocking to yours. Shape up, please. It's hard to read when you don't know where a sentence ends and where it begins. I'm saying this for my own personal benefit. Speak English, for God's sake.

Well, the new gun looks very nice for a few reasons. The first one is the way the stock looks. It looks very sturdy. Also, the clip will go go into the longshot and recon. 30 shots? Sounds like a good gun to buy. Anyone know how much it costs ? Note:sent on my iPhone

In my experience, any stock that looks collapsible or removable will just snap shut or not be sturdy enough to hold up. If it is removable, then, perhaps reinforcement will be easy.

Thirty-five shots. In other words, overkill.
If I had to guess, I'd put its price point in at $40 or so.

Don't know if anyone knows this but the release of the Raider CS-35 is supposed to be 07/31/09. I got this information from Linkage I can't wait.

That's been stated before, and Brit is right. We'll probably get it earlier in America, although, I wish he'd not call us Yanks so flippantly.



You do know that's a UK website and release date right? They won't ship to the US.

You yanks should be getting it earlier. That's where I preordered mine from.

A Yank is someone from the New England area.
I'm Texan, thus not a Yank, yet I'll get it at the same time as the New Yorkers.




But, back to speculation about the gun, itself.



I would think that this would be released in the what-seems-to-be-standard yellow, orange, and grey scheme they've been doing. Anyone else think the return to blue means something?
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