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[perezinthenet]

Why aren't SS2s very common as primaries? I have one and am getting another and I love it, it gets great range so the question is, why aren't they used often?

[Axelion burnout]

The only reason I don't use mine as a primary is its RoF. Sure, it gets the same ranges as a Supermaxx1500, but a quarter of the RoF. Its fun, but 1 shot vs 4 shots. 8ish pumps vs 4 pumps... 1500 wins any day in my opinion.

[jackster57]

Why use it as a primary when it is small enough to use as a secondary/pistol?

[perezinthenet]

Because it gets 100+ ranges easily

[bamblack2000]

Because it gets 100+ ranges easily

When determining what a primary is considered as, range isn't the only thing that matter. Sure you can hit mayb 100ft with it, but if you have to reload every two seconds your dead. Having a primary shoot 80-90ft and 4 shots with less pumps is WAY better.

[Daniel Beaver]

I am less enamored with mine after using it for a few weeks. It suffers from some practical problems:

1) ROF is atrocious if you ram-rod it, and mediocre if you coupler it.
2) The extra barrel can't be used in conjunction with a long primary barrel (which hurts range a lot).
3) Large physical dimensions. Not a big deal if you use it as a primary, but issues arise if you want to use it as a secondary (it's tough to holster the damn thing).

It's a sexy gun, a true hand cannon. But as a primary or secondary, I think it is bested by the humble AT2k.

[perezinthenet]

With mine, I use PETG which my darts slide down and I use 9 pumps so the ROF is decent.

[mystefansdontflystraight]

Beaver hit the nail on the head there. I sold both of mine because of the ROF. The turreting of one failed, it hurt range quite a bit, thats the one that is on the way to you, perez. I did have a PVC coupler on it before, that I would yank the barrel off to use the secret one, but still, the thing took 11 pumps to get anywhere close to 100ft (leaky). These things are awesome sidearms IF you have a non leaky one that you can keep pumped and in your pocket/holster and whip if out if nessecary. I didn't want to open up my pristine one, so I will stick to my 1st gen NF.

EDIT: If anyone has this and a crossbow, they should so make a guru SS2. I can see that being pretty potent.

Edited by mystefansdontflystraight, 22 December 2008 - 09:18 AM.

[perezinthenet]

The leak is only at the check valve right? Because I bought a new one to put in it

[BustaNinja]

You can argue about range all you want, but people don't use the SS2 as a primary because NO ONE FUCKING HAS THEM! A primary that you will see alot is a Big Blast, and why? Because they are easy to buy. Its not a question of range, its a question of ease of buying.

[mystefansdontflystraight]

The leak is only at the check valve right? Because I bought a new one to put in it

yep, put a check valve in the tubing between pump and airtank, leak will be gone.

[imaseoulman]

ROF a problem? On an air gun primary? Attach it to an external air source! Problem solved.

[Daniel Beaver]

Attach it to an external air source! Problem solved.

It has always struck me that external hookups take some of the magic out of nerf guns. I love that they are self-contained and hand powered; it seems to cheapen them somewhat to attach an external air tank to them.

I may just be a Luddite who doesn't want to embrace it.

And in all seriousness, an external air tank only solves the pumping issue. Ram-rodding airguns is still a painfully slow process.

Edited by Daniel Beaver, 22 December 2008 - 11:26 PM.

[imaseoulman]

That's why I like the air stock idea. You can fill it up by hand and get maybe ten shots out of it. You can make them bigger or smaller and it stays self contained. But yes, it does change the game quite a bit.

[BustaNinja]

That's why I like the air stock idea. You can fill it up by hand and get maybe ten shots out of it. You can make them bigger or smaller and it stays self contained. But yes, it does change the game quite a bit.

Woah... And you could easily do that with PVC pipe couldn't you?

Ramrodding? What is this? You couple your primaries. Thats just what you do right?

[venom213]

You can argue about range all you want, but people don't use the SS2 as a primary because NO ONE FUCKING HAS THEM! A primary that you will see alot is a Big Blast, and why? Because they are easy to buy. Its not a question of range, its a question of ease of buying.

That is definatley a factor on the popularity of this gun. These things have always pissed me off. The SS2 was my first nerf gun. I got it way back when I was just a tot. When I started modding, I tried to mod it already had issues with holding air. That is the second factor of whether people use this gun or not. They develop leaks constantly and often can't be repaired. Almost a year ago I got my second SS2 at goodwill. I brought it to two wars, but never really used it. Then when I tried actually modding it, a leak developed. If you have a working SS2, be grateful.

[BustaNinja]

You can argue about range all you want, but people don't use the SS2 as a primary because NO ONE FUCKING HAS THEM! A primary that you will see alot is a Big Blast, and why? Because they are easy to buy. Its not a question of range, its a question of ease of buying.

That is definatley a factor on the popularity of this gun. These things have always pissed me off. The SS2 was my first nerf gun. I got it way back when I was just a tot. When I started modding, I tried to mod it already had issues with holding air. That is the second factor of whether people use this gun or not. They develop leaks constantly and often can't be repaired. Almost a year ago I got my second SS2 at goodwill. I brought it to two wars, but never really used it. Then when I tried actually modding it, a leak developed. If you have a working SS2, be grateful.

Dude, were you the one who still had the flip down barrel on yours? Man, that is just so cool.

[imaseoulman]

Woah... And you could easily do that with PVC pipe couldn't you?

You've not seen this, have you?

[TantumBull]

imaseoulman: How, with an external air source, would you regulate how much air goes into the actual tank of an SS2 from the external tank? It seems like if you just opened up a ball valve the pressure would destroy the SS2 valve. Also with that set up, the pressure would equalize after each shot and you would be getting less and less range.

Edited by TantumBull, 23 December 2008 - 02:53 AM.

[imaseoulman]

If you want to actually regulate the amount of air you get into your tank, you need a regulator. You could put a push-button valve on there with a limited flow rate and just kinda hold it down for half a second, but without a regulator there's no exact way to do it.

As for losing more pressure with each shot, again, without a regulator, it's inevitable. With my "unfair gun" I could get around 30 usable shots. I reinforced the SM1500 air tank so that it could handle 60 PSI consistently and I let it fire until it drained to about 40 PSI. Normally, however, I'd never have to fire off 30 shots before re-pumping. In fact, I don't even have to use the air stock to refill the tank, I could just pump it up normally. Also, when the pressure dropped to below 40 PSI, I would still refill the tank with the air stock and then pump it once or twice more. The larger your external tank, the less likely you are to notice a range dip after each shot.

The ideal external air tank system would be what Captain Slug did with his HPA tank down regulated to his PVC tank. But that's fairly costly so the air stock is a workable alternative.

[TantumBull]

Could you explain in detail how you reinforced the 1.5K valve? Could you also explain how you did your 1.5K stock air reservoir? I read the topic about it but am still a bit confused. (Like, what parts did you use, how exactly are they configured, etc.)

[imaseoulman]

Could you explain in detail how you reinforced the 1.5K valve? Could you also explain how you did your 1.5K stock air reservoir? I read the topic about it but am still a bit confused. (Like, what parts did you use, how exactly are they configured, etc.)

Sure, I'm actually going to post it in the original thread, though, instead of doing it here.

[Daniel Beaver]

You've not seen this, have you?

Whoa.
I like this because it is hand-powered, self-contained, and doesn't push the ranges into the range of silliness. I draw the line when you have to plug in an air compressor to charge the tank on your guns.

Dude, were you the one who still had the flip down barrel on yours? Man, that is just so cool.

I have one too, now. You'll see it in January
...Despite all my bitching about it.
You're right though, I do need to put a coupler on it. I've just been... distracted.

Edited by Daniel Beaver, 23 December 2008 - 04:13 PM.

[silentsnipe]

What's better, SS1 or SS2?

[Foamfoot]

What's better, SS1 or SS2?

It's all preference. In my opinion, SS2 is better, SS2 has some better ranges. But, the SS2 is a pump gun, and the SS1 is a springer with two barrels, which has much better ROF. It might be the best pistol for indoor, and a great one for outdoor (SS1). The SS2 is, however, good for outdoor, being as it's ranges are in the high nineties, and it's a pistol, possibly one of the best secondary blasters ever.

Edited by Foamfoot, 23 December 2008 - 05:14 PM.