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#1 Banshee

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 04:12 PM

The other day, TimmyTown reminded me that I got a jacked up SuperMaxx 3000 lying around somewhere. Its in perfect working condition, I crayola barreled it a while back and it shoots really straight, really quite and has a range of about 40-50 feet. Thats not too bad, but I'd never use it in a war and the paint job on it is royally screwed. The shell makes all kinds of cracking noises when I push it. And to be honest with you, I'd rather use a Maverick in a battle.

I thought about singling it because I can't say I've ever seen a singled SM3K, but there's probably a good reason for that. I'm slightly hesitant to do it because its a collectors toy, yet its in horrible cosmetic shape. The internals are so simple it'd be VERY easy to integrate into another gun, but I wont do it if it wont shoot much better singled. Does anyone have experience with a singled SM3K? Should I single it and integrate it, should I just leave it alone, or should I repaint it with original colors and hold onto it until it's worth more than 5 dollars on eBay?

P.S. Don't get all pissy because I asked a question instead of trying it myself. I'm asking a question to save myself the waste of a gun.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 04:32 PM

EDIT: I'm a idoit. I mixed up the two. Disregard this.

Edited by bamblack2000, 19 October 2008 - 04:38 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 04:34 PM

So you mean something like this (except the stock) ?

If you do are you using cyraola barrels? If so I wouldn't personally but maybe try cpvc or pvc. It's really cheap at you're local hardware store.

No? Thats an Airtech 3000... I'm talking about this: http://denoffoam.tri...ctures/sm3k.jpg
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 04:55 PM

So you want me to hold off and see if your mod is worth trying before I do something drastic? Okay, but you'd better hurry up, because I'm bored. Haha.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 05:31 PM

Taking away seven barrels to make one good one is a waste. Put on some barrels that don't suck (ie, not crayolas) and you should get better ranges.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 05:42 PM

Taking away seven barrels to make one good one is a waste. Put on some barrels that don't suck (ie, not crayolas) and you should get better ranges.

To each his own. I'm a good shot, so a gun with rapid fire isn't as necessary to me as one with accuracy and range. I know that I couldn't get anything higher than 60 feet out of that gun without singling it, and I can reload and fire my nightfinder that shoots farther and more accurate faster than I can repump the SM3K. So in practicality, a nightfinder is more useful to me than the turreted SM3K.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 05:49 PM

You won't get more than 75 feet flat with it singled. Plain and simple. I use mine for stock wars - it's one of the best stock blasters ever IMO, 2 pumps, auto rotate 8 shot turret, 25 feet flat. Good stuff. I will be working on mine sometime in the near future though, and I do not expect it to be war practical, even with the amount of work I put into all of my new mods.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:34 PM

I'm a good shot, so a gun with rapid fire isn't as necessary to me as one with accuracy and range.


It never hurts to have all three.

I know that I couldn't get anything higher than 60 feet out of that gun without singling it


Use better darts.

I can reload and fire my nightfinder that shoots farther and more accurate faster than I can repump the SM3K. So in practicality, a nightfinder is more useful to me than the turreted SM3K.


I don't believe you, but if you already have a faster gun that outranges the SM3k with better accuracy why are you keeping the SM3k at all? Sell it, buy a Big Blast and you're set. I'd think you could get $15 out of it and Big Blasts are $10 new so you'd be making a small profit and getting a gun out of it that's better suited to your needs.

If you're intent on modding the SM3k I still think you should keep the barrels; if nothing else it could be a loaner in case someone needs a gun to use or a fun gun to use with stock ammo like Splitlip said.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 06:42 PM

I'm a good shot, so a gun with rapid fire isn't as necessary to me as one with accuracy and range.


It never hurts to have all three.

I know that I couldn't get anything higher than 60 feet out of that gun without singling it


Use better darts.

I can reload and fire my nightfinder that shoots farther and more accurate faster than I can repump the SM3K. So in practicality, a nightfinder is more useful to me than the turreted SM3K.


I don't believe you, but if you already have a faster gun that outranges the SM3k with better accuracy why are you keeping the SM3k at all? Sell it, buy a Big Blast and you're set. I'd think you could get $15 out of it and Big Blasts are $10 new so you'd be making a small profit and getting a gun out of it that's better suited to your needs.

If you're intent on modding the SM3k I still think you should keep the barrels; if nothing else it could be a loaner in case someone needs a gun to use or a fun gun to use with stock ammo like Splitlip said.

You don't believe I can pull a dart out of a nightfinder ammo holder, stick it in the barrel, cock it and shoot it faster than I can pump a SM3K 4 times? I don't see how thats hard to believe, I'm sure a lot of people could do that. Four years ago, all I had for a good 6 moths was a nightfinder, I got pretty good at loading it fast, but most people should be able to do it. Anyways, I started this topic to see if anyone has ever tried singling a SM3K. So far, it seems like everyone is guessing with what they think will happen.

And I wouldn't use the SM3K as a primary, there's no way it'd have the range. I'd integrate it into something else for an extra shot because the SM3K is useless to me in a war. But I can't integrate it and the turret assemble into anything without getting a very awkward turnout...
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#10 Blue

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 07:11 PM

Isn't that thing in keefs sale thread a singled sm3k?
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 07:16 PM

Not that I saw.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 07:21 PM

The Recon laser has a SM3k tank in it.

http://nerfhaven.com...showtopic=13577
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 07:32 PM

The at3k tank is the same as the sm3k tank. Singled ranges are the same. Not to mention people have definitely singled 3ks before.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 07:43 PM

You won't get more than 75 feet flat with it singled. Plain and simple.


The at3k tank is the same as the sm3k tank. Singled ranges are the same.


One of these statements has to be wrong, because you can get 100' out of a well-modded turreted 3k flat, not to mention likely 10'-20' more singled. As far as I know the Sm3k tank is the exact same as the 3k tank, so you should be able to achieve singled 3k-like ranges with a single Sm3k, thus the first thing you said must be wrong, Splitlip.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:28 PM

because you can get 100' out of a well-modded turreted 3k flat



Singled, yes you can get 100, mine does easily. Turreted? No, you're insane. You are lucky if you get 70 for a turreted at3k

Edited by nerfer9, 19 October 2008 - 08:28 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:33 PM

Yeah, I just opened up my SM3k to see the insides and the tank is literally the same as an AT3K. So I did OP plug, and I'd say with a little more love and care I might crack 80' with new barrels. That right there is better range than my At3K. Singled it would do great, but I might as well keep it turreted.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:38 PM


because you can get 100' out of a well-modded turreted 3k flat



Singled, yes you can get 100, mine does easily. Turreted? No, you're insane. You are lucky if you get 70 for a turreted at3k


Your smoking something.

I've modded a at3k, sm3k, and all that shit. With multiple barrels on each (probably around 13 different setups on each) I've NEVER got anywhere NEAR 80 feet. Probably more around 70 feet.

So, you must be nerfing in space.

Also, make sure your measuring with feet, and not meters.

If I hear ONE more time, someone gets 100 feet from ##3k, I will beat a baby with a broken crossbow.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:41 PM


because you can get 100' out of a well-modded turreted 3k flat



Singled, yes you can get 100, mine does easily. Turreted? No, you're insane. You are lucky if you get 70 for a turreted at3k


Your smoking something.

I've modded a at3k, sm3k, and all that shit. With multiple barrels on each (probably around 13 different setups on each) I've NEVER got anywhere NEAR 80 feet. Probably more around 70 feet.



I've got proof....OK I don't but that's not the point, do I have to make a video and actually prove to you my singled at3k?
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:42 PM

Finally, someone with a grain of knowledge on this matter. Edit: completely in reference to keef, who is known for is ridiculous obsession with air guns.

I don't know where you've gotten those numbers, but through practical testing and actual flat ranges are 75 max.

Edited by Splitlip, 19 October 2008 - 08:44 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:45 PM

I've got proof....OK I don't but that's not the point, do I have to make a video and actually prove to you my singled at3k?


Actually, Yes.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 08:48 PM

The seal between the turret and the tank of an AT3K is so horrible, you couldn't break 75' without redesigning the seal...
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 09:31 PM


because you can get 100' out of a well-modded turreted 3k flat



Singled, yes you can get 100, mine does easily. Turreted? No, you're insane. You are lucky if you get 70 for a turreted at3k


If I hear ONE more time, someone gets 100 feet from ##3k, I will beat a baby with a broken crossbow.


Holy Crap that is so going in my signature. But I will admit that I don't generally see a at3k go 100. My PETG Airtech 300 only goes roughly about 80 feet. I personally would say Don't single it, I would try to keep the turret and if you don't like it then move to single.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 09:56 PM

Well, you wanted opinions...here's mine:
1.) Repaint it, then sell it
2.) Buy a turret (not unless you can salvage the crayola) and brass it

Whatever you do, don't single it, if you have a turret, that should increase your RoF. You also said that you wouldn't use it in a war because of the paintjob, if you repaint it and brass it, you should have yourself a worthy gun, don't you think?
But hey, those are my opinions, go ahead and do what you want with it.
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Posted 19 October 2008 - 10:38 PM

Well, you wanted opinions...here's mine:
1.) Repaint it, then sell it
2.) Buy a turret (not unless you can salvage the crayola) and brass it

Whatever you do, don't single it, if you have a turret, that should increase your RoF. You also said that you wouldn't use it in a war because of the paintjob, if you repaint it and brass it, you should have yourself a worthy gun, don't you think?
But hey, those are my opinions, go ahead and do what you want with it.

You don't read too good do you? Haha... The gun I have has a turret in it! Hence why I considered singling it! And i NEVER said I wouldn't use it in a war because it's paint job... what kind of shallow fucker wouldn't use an ugly gun if it worked?? I wouldn't use it in a war for its piss poor ranges and bulky impracticality. The crayola barrels I have in now were put in with the intention of being taken out later, so they're just pushed in with some E-tape on the bottom of each one. With a little work I could make it a little better, but its still not primary worthy in my opinion. of course I wouldn't think an AT3K would be either, but its all in preference.
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Posted 20 October 2008 - 06:47 AM

I have owned two 3ks, and I hate them with a passion. I have had a green tank, and a yellow. The green, I could barely get to go 40ft. THey suck. With the yellow tank, I never got measured ranges, because the connection between the tank and the vynil tube is unbelievably fragile, and it broke. Anyway, I would GUESS that it got about 80ft flat. I was using 9/16 brass, which had a great fit on my darts. I wouldn't single it. If yours is a yellow tank, I would keep it turreted, because you can get some decent ranges out of it. Green tank, I would single it, because the turreted ranges suck. You MIGHT be able to squeeze 55ft out of it, with a good barrel/dart fit.

EDIT: If you have the new version, which is blue with a yellow tank, and a huge trigger, I would single that too, it isn't much better than the green tank.

Edited by mystefansdontflystraight, 20 October 2008 - 06:49 AM.

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It's just screaming to be rearloading...

I seen a movie about that once.




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