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#1 A side of nerf

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 05:13 PM

Alright, I thought of this integration when my Big Bad Bow's ROF was starting to do me in. I needed something to back me up if my first shot missed it's mark. I don't think I am the first one to do this integration, (If you can even call it that) but I searched the modification directory and searched the website and couldn't find it.
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It is a Big Bad Bow with the handle replaced with a nitefinder.

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Saw off the Big Bad Bow handle and make the area rough by scouring it with a file. Then attach it with epoxy putty. Make sure that when you attach it, you do not put epoxy over the gap seperating both sides of the gun. if you do this then you will not be able to open the gun again.

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After the epoxy has cured, go over the point where they meet with caulk. Make sure your caulk is a caulk that dries clear. Do not put it on to thick or else it will not cure.

After letting the caulk cure, the new "handle" looks like this.
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This is the gun with both guns primed.
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Paint the nitefinder to match your color schem and cover the gap with lexan or craft board.
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If you do this right, then the nitefinder will be on there very good and you can still cock it like a normal Big Bad Bow. The only problem is, I wouldn't reccomend doing this if your Big Bad Bow has a larger spring in it. Because of the bigger spring, the nitefinder might snap off unless you cock it without holding on to the nitefinder (shotgun style). Those going to this year's SENO will have the pleasure of seeing this gun in action.

If you have any questions, feel free to comment.
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Edited by A side of nerf, 12 August 2008 - 06:35 PM.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 05:20 PM

I wouldn't call this an integration, you cut off the handle and stuck a gun on where it used to be. It would be like cutting off the railing on a LS to attach a laser scope (which I know is completely pointless and I am just using this as an example).

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 05:42 PM

I pity the fool who doesn't understand good integrations. An integration can range from inserting the internals of another gun into the first gun's shell, or simply duct taping two AT2k's together.



This one is great! Functional and a combination of two decent guns. Quite a viable weapon.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 05:48 PM

Eh. Caulk doesn't add structural integrity at all, just so you know. It's used for covering joints and filling gaps to make them paintable.

For others: If you are going to use caulk, the key is a wet finger. Keep a wet rag, apply a small bead of caulk, and run your wet finger across it. It leaves a smooth, even finish. Wipe off any caulk that spread too far from the joint (look at the fourth picture, at the bottom of the joint for an example of what happens if you don't).

I like it, but it looks like it would be hard to aim the bbb, since your front, stabilizing hand is below your firing hand.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 05:58 PM

The caulk I used for this integration is sandable so I am going to go back and smooth it out. Good tip though, it saves you the trouble of going back and sanding it down. You are right about the caulk not having structural integrity although, I did this integration a few months ago. The epoxy held up to it it being pulled back and forth. When I accidently moved the "handle" left and right the gun snapped off. Now with the caulk on there, this doesn't happen. I believe it is because the caulk fills in the dead space where they connect. It is hard to explain, just picture where the guns connect forming a gap. The caulk fills that, giving it strength to endure force pushing it left and right.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:34 PM

I like it, but it looks like it would be hard to aim the bbb, since your front, stabilizing hand is below your firing hand.


You'd be surprised. It doesn't take long to get used to your front hand being below the firing hand. Actually, I find it feels quite natural. If the handle's up higher, it often feels like you have to reach for it. If you aim by the top of the shell, as most nerfers do (aiming by zen, as we've taken to calling it around here, courtesy of DocsMachine.com), you very quickly forget that your hands aren't aligned.

A lot of crossbow junkies run integrations that are similar to this, with Nite Finders, Splitfires, and many more more, and we all love them.

Love the gun. Great work.

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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:41 PM

I see I'm not the only one having problems with the BBB's rate of fire.

Nice integration. One question though; do you find it difficult to cock the NF at all? It seems like it's in a weird place.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:44 PM

The nitefinder is actually really easy to cock. You grab it on both sides of the loop at the end and pull it back. It is pretty convenient. Also, I looked at your Big Bad Maverick and I'm starting to wonder, who knows what else we could put where that handle is.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:47 PM

I'm starting to wonder, who knows what else we could put where that handle is.


I agree. It seems like a totally underappreciated integration location. There's absolutely nothing to get in the way, you could probably put just about anything on there.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 07:56 PM

I wouldn't call this an integration, you cut off the handle and stuck a gun on where it used to be. It would be like cutting off the railing on a LS to attach a laser scope (which I know is completely pointless and I am just using this as an example).

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The definition of integration is:

Integration (from the Latin integer, meaning whole or entire) generally means combining parts so that they work together or form a whole.

So yea side performed an integration as basic as it was (Yeah I am such a smart ass) Looks fairly clean side of nerf, add a decent paintjob to that and it would be a decent setup.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 08:23 PM

You could put a cord running from the nite finder cocker to the rear handle of the bbb so that you could cock them both at the same time.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 08:46 PM

notthedinkus- A good suggestion, but I already considered that and found a problem with it. The nitefinder cocker has to move forward after pulling the trigger to shoot the dart. If it is attached by a cord to the handle than it will no be able to move forward unless the Big Bad Bow is fired first. This doesn't allow you to shoot both of them at the same time. Or shoot the nitefinder first. I am however trying to design a removable system that can fire both guns with the pull of the BBB's trigger, like Forsaken_Angel24's Longshot undergun system. Any suggestions?
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 09:12 PM

Unless you used a high tension string of some sort so the cocking link would fold up in some matter.
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Posted 19 June 2008 - 09:16 PM

I did this in December, here's mine: Posted Image
It's actually easier to aim the BBB, and more comfortable. Great job! I really was hoping that other people would see that the front handle had no purpose and do the same thing. I like yours, it's more clean than mine. I hotglued the shit out of mine, I know it's never falling off, I've used it and it worked great.

I was actually debating tonight weather or not I should replace the handle with the trigger with the LS Front Gun handle, I had one handy, but decided against it.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 12:09 AM

I did almost the same thing, but I just cut off the Nitefinder's handle and put the gun upside down then glued it together. I cut off the handle, so I glued on the Nitefinder so it's an extra shot and doubles as the back of the original handle to help me cock the gun.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 08:46 AM

Why did you have to copy my gun and take credit for it?

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 09:24 AM

First of all, I didnt take credit for it, I just posted it. If you read the original post it says.

I don't think I am the first one to do this integration, (If you can even call it that) but I searched the modification directory and searched the website and couldn't find it.

I didn't say I was the first one to do it. No one posted it on here so I have every right to. Just because I did the same mod as you doesn't mean I am copying you. Are you going to accuse someone of copying your mod everytime someone posts a mod that you have done? Thomas, P.C. III, and Watari did the same integration as me. They didn't accuse me of copying their mods. If you still have any problems, send me a PM, we can work it out there rather than in the forums. Thank you.
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Edited by A side of nerf, 21 June 2008 - 01:37 PM.

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:22 AM

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Posted 20 June 2008 - 10:43 AM

PC II you really should be taken out into an alley and beaten... That is the worst excuse for a poser guru I have seen in a while... But nice BBB+NF integration...
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:43 AM

PC II you really should be taken out into an alley and beaten... That is the worst excuse for a poser guru I have seen in a while... But nice BBB+NF integration...


Hey, play nice. Let's be fair, and give credit where credit is due...

As for continued discussion on the gun:

A few people back on page 1 were discussing how well the 3B seems suited for mounting just about anything on the undercarriage, notably mentioning the upside-down Mav integration. There's a setup somewhere in the mods/paintjobs thread using the same upside-down shotgun pumped effect with a Dart Tag Gun (based off OfAlltheNerf's Longshot's version) which just looks absolutely awesome, and has far more potential for outdoor-worthy firing ranges than a maverick.

So yeah...I'm beginning to be surprised at how few "simple" integrations (as I like to label attaching guns together in this way) we've seen in the past on 3Bs, but I'm getting kinda excited to see what you all start putting up under there.
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Posted 20 June 2008 - 11:57 AM

Oh no. Not another knock off guru..... General Cole got flamed to the point of tears after he even started calling his xbow "Bob the Guru"
Something to watch out for P.C 3. Nice ls though. I see you play COD4, hence the blue tiger PJ.

Yeah about the integration.. I like it. I did the exact same thing, but I sawed off the front handle of my DTB instead of BBB. It works nicely, though outranges the DTB, so that isn't practical.

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Posted 21 June 2008 - 01:24 PM

Inspiration is a wonderful thing isn't it? Well, yesterday I saw this thread and I wanted to do it...so this morning I woke up and did it...

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The front of the gun:
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If you were wondering why the nitefinder is all messed up, (handle cut off) is because I was trying to
make it fit in my pocket without having to have all this stuff sticking out.

EDIT: I used hot glue to bond it but I put eletrical tape to make it look cleaner.
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I did this in December, I know it's never falling off


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It fell off! :ph34r: Easily fixable, I put too much stress on it during the car ride over, and I was handling it pretty roughly this morning.


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Posted 21 June 2008 - 01:36 PM

Everyone's Big Bad Bow's look awesome. Watari, I am glad my thread inspired you. What did you use to bond it, is it a black adhesive or is that just electrical tape? If anyone else has a BBB with this integration done to it, please post it here.
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Posted 21 June 2008 - 04:49 PM

sshiiiiitttt
I picked it up at the war today
PWNED. It fell off! :ph34r: Easily fixable, I put too much stress on it during the car ride over, and I was handling it pretty roughly this morning.
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Posted 22 June 2008 - 08:49 PM

Alright so now that my integration is done, I wanted to focus on looks. The goal of this gun was to make it look like they it is one gun, like it was made that way. First what I did was give the nitefinder a matching color scheme. I picked a barny purple that matched the BBB's.
It came out like this.
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A close up of the nitefinder.
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Then I noticed there was a gap in between the nitefinder's barrel and the BBB's barrel. I wanted to make this more streamline so I cut out 3 pieces of foam craft boad that looked like this,
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Attach the peices to your gun to cover any gaps you might want to cover. My finished gun looked like this.
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A close up of the barrel area.
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A close up of the nitefinder.
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Looking down the Barrels
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So that's my finished gun, I hope to see more of these.
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