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[Spartan 117]

This is a write up on how to mod your Longshot to shoot taggers, suckers, whistlers and streamlnes. I made it because first of all I mainly nerf indoors so I don't need mega ranges and also I hate it when I am using my Longshot and I have have shot all of my streamlines and there are only taggers and suction cup darts around that I can use.
The gun:


Ok so First step is to open up your gun. (I took out all of the safety/not fuck up your gun mechanisms)



Second take out the plunger tube and unscrew the small silver screws:



Now take off the plunger head by unscrewing this screw:



Now slip in your NF spring/spring of choice:



Now put the plunger head back on.

Now we have to take out those damn the ARs. I did this by hammering the prongs on the ARs out with a flat head screwdriver like this:


Then prying it out with some needle nose pliers.
Oh and the AR will look like this:



There will be a small hole at the back of the bolt that you should plug up with hot glue/epoxy/plumbers goop.

Next put the whole plunger assembly back together.

Wheew we have that clusterfuck out of the way.



Ok Now to the actually making it shoot taggers/suckers/whistlers.

Cut the end of the bolt off all the way to the bolt sled. Refer to This

Now You have to Dremel the hell out of it until I't will fit your dart without the head bending down and the bolt is not falling off the bolt sled, this is what I got:




Once you have that done, make sure everything is in place and put it all back together.

Cool, now load up some darts into your clip and go shoot someone!

It gets ~50'-60' which is not too bad for a non brass breached LS.
Questions? Comments? Flames? Bring it on.

A few more pics:
Darts in magazine:



Bolt open:



bolt closed:






Yeah the reason I cut the bipod off is because I am *attempting* to do DartAttack's front gun integration. Oh an I know my shop is messy.

PS: You may need to snip about a half of a CM off of the end of the taggers because they are slightly longer and may jam in the bolt.

Edited by Spartan_117, 30 April 2008 - 07:55 AM.

[Bomberman]

Well, it is a good first post, but I think people have done this before. But nevertheless, good job man. Good first impression. The pic quality is shit, but just try to get a better quality pics next time.

[Cmdrmack]

I've not heard of this being done before, the picture quality is kind of poor, so I'm not entirely sure what's going on.

Can you post

1)a picture of the darts in the LS magazine
2)a picture of the dart with the bolt open
3)a picture of the dart with the bolt closed

Otherwise, great mod!

[Green-Buckshot]

I like it, but won't the difference in height at the tip of the dart from the rest of the body of the dart cause it to load unevenly? I tried it with my Recon CS-6, and it didn't work too good.

[ice]

I like it, but won't the difference in height at the tip of the dart from the rest of the body of the dart cause it to load unevenly? I tried it with my Recon CS-6, and it didn't work too good.

My recon fires taggers stock, but doesn;t the fact that your snipping part of the barrel make it lose air flow, and are your ranges flat or angeled?

[Kanashimi]

ice, actually, him cutting up that part does not really decrease range, because around that part of the gun are lots of openings for air to escape. Also, the longshot is better with less of a barrel, unless you replace the breech. This is shown by the LS carbines, which usually have 5-10 feet better range than a LS without a new breech.

Now, onto the mod. Yes, picture quality is horrible. I still understand what he did though. He cut off the stick on the top end of the bolt to keep it from pushing the rubber tips of darts down, which, when the bolt is pulled all the way forward, would have the tips being pinched by the bolt and piece in front of it. That would stop the dart from firing.

I'm not sure if GB asked this, but don't the taggers and other darts get stuck in the mag? I tried putting a small stack of taggers in my clip, and the larger rubber tip pressed on the mag walls, keeping them from moving up.

-Kanashimi

[OberonFox]

Copy Pasta'd from one of my other posts on similar topic....

There are various free or extremely cheap image alteration programs, like Gimp ,out there if you can't afford Photoshop. All of them have a crop feature. Take your picture at maximum resolution from a distance that will allow full focus of whatever you're taking the picture of, and then crop and resize to appropriate web proportions.

[Galaxy613]

And/or see if your camera has a Macro feature.

[Forsaken angel24]

What is stopping the darts from being pushed up too high?
You basically cut off the bolts receiver. With this removed darts wont load properly?

[ompa]

There's still a tiny lip left. That, combined with the portion keeping the dart from pusing up from back half of the faux barrel might be enough to keep the dart from going too far up.

~ompa

[mintee]

Why does everyone insist on making the Recon and Longshot shoot taggers? They jam in the magazine, the head interferes with the dart receiver and dart tooth.

I only see one of these issues being addressed, and that's done by cutting off the dart receiver. They'll still jam in the magazine and rub early against the dart tooth when pushed forward.

It's much easier to mod the taggers themselves than to fuck around with the gun's mechanisms, so for all I suggest making custom dart taggers until you're ready to do a breech.

[Spartan 117]

There's still a tiny lip left. That, combined with the portion keeping the dart from pusing up from back half of the faux barrel might be enough to keep the dart from going too far up.

~ompa

Thats right.

Why does everyone insist on making the Recon and Longshot shoot taggers? They jam in the magazine, the head interferes with the dart receiver and dart tooth.

I only see one of these issues being addressed, and that's done by cutting off the dart receiver. They'll still jam in the magazine and rub early against the dart tooth when pushed forward.

It's much easier to mod the taggers themselves than to fuck around with the gun's mechanisms, so for all I suggest making custom dart taggers until you're ready to do a breech.

The point of this mod is so that you don't have to use special darts or modify taggers. They don't jam the magazine or rub early up against the dart tooth. Also why would I bother posting this if it didn't work!

[Swords]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't this make the seal worse than it already is? I would expect a pretty large decrease in range.

EDIT: Sorry for not reading. I got my answer.

Edited by Swords, 28 April 2008 - 07:09 PM.

[Quilan Fett]

The seal does nothing. A stock longshot already has such a bad seal that it woks like a NF.

[ice]

If by front gun integration, you mean this...

(my version of course, also modded to fire taggers thanks to you )

Thats not angel's mod, it's dartattacks. Link

[slowguitarman]

If by front gun integration, you mean this...
::Insert worthless picture here:: (my version of course, also modded to fire taggers thanks to you )

Thats not angel's mod, it's dartattacks. Link

What was the point of that? You have a fragment and then a picture of you with an integration that is posted all over this board. If you were showing him the link, you could have just posted it. He has obviously has seen it before, or he wouldn't want to do it. Do you just like to take pictures of yourself? [/rant]

On topic: I am surprised that that works. I would have had the same worry as angel, but it works, though, so that's awesome. I wouldn't personally do it because I don't need to, but it is cool to know that it could be done for indoor wars or in times that you have to use stock darts or taggers (in case stefans are banned).

[Ambience 327]

Why does everyone insist on making the Recon and Longshot shoot taggers? They jam in the magazine, the head interferes with the dart receiver and dart tooth.

I only see one of these issues being addressed, and that's done by cutting off the dart receiver. They'll still jam in the magazine and rub early against the dart tooth when pushed forward.

It's much easier to mod the taggers themselves than to fuck around with the gun's mechanisms, so for all I suggest making custom dart taggers until you're ready to do a breech.

Well, consider this scenario: You are playing an intense game with a lot of participants, and you've just fired your last streamline/CDTS/long stefan (i.e. stuff that fits/works in a stock LS). All of your ammo is now 40-50 feet away from you at best. What do you do?

If you've done a mod like this, you can pick up anything they have been firing back at you (stock taggers, micros, screamers, etc) that will fit in your clip, and keep on shooting.

If not, then all you can do is run, and hope they don't get you!

[ice]

What was the point of that? You have a fragment and then a picture of you with an integration that is posted all over this board. If you were showing him the link, you could have just posted it. He has obviously has seen it before, or he wouldn't want to do it. Do you just like to take pictures of yourself? [/rant]

On topic: ...

I'm not familiar with all of FA's mods, I don;t know if he has done another integration or not, so I was clarifying to make sure. I also wanted to tell him I did his mod and it works great, and posting a picture of my own in my style (I only have myself in the picture so my friends on the site from my neighborhood and school know that I'm the one that did the mod, because they think I cut and paste other peoples pictures, and this is just a way to get around it and prove it to them that I did the mod, and I'm not lying. Sorry for any inconvenience).

[slowguitarman]

Blah, blah, blah [/rant]

On topic: ...

Blah, blah blah

Wow. I can't believe I am doing this, but I have to commend you. You actually responded in a way that sounded like you used you brain before typing a response. Good choice. I didn't know people thought you lied about doing the integrations, though. I know people call BS on your ranges (because they are BS most of the time...), but I didn't know people didn't think you modified/built the stuff.

[ice]

Wow. I can't believe I am doing this, but I have to commend you. You actually responded in a way that sounded like you used you brain before typing a response. Good choice. I didn't know people thought you lied about doing the integrations, though. I know people call BS on your ranges (because they are BS most of the time...), but I didn't know people didn't think you modified/built the stuff.

No, it’s only some of my friends from my school and neighbor hood (that I know of) that don’t believe that I mod them to the full extent that I do. I just post pics of myself in it to avoid vicious arguments all through school (as earlier stated). The only reason I didn’t PM you this is so that everyone can read it, and they don’t get left with the question of your last post, because other people might not believe I mod them, arguments, on and on and on, blah

[Spartan 117]

If by front gun integration, you mean this...

(pic) (my version of course, also modded to fire taggers thanks to you )

Thats not angel's mod, it's dartattacks. Link

Cool, glad to see it works!

Woops, sorry I will change it to DartAttack, thanks.

Edited by Spartan_117, 29 April 2008 - 05:06 PM.

[Swords]

Why does everyone insist on making the Recon and Longshot shoot taggers? They jam in the magazine, the head interferes with the dart receiver and dart tooth.

I only see one of these issues being addressed, and that's done by cutting off the dart receiver. They'll still jam in the magazine and rub early against the dart tooth when pushed forward.

It's much easier to mod the taggers themselves than to fuck around with the gun's mechanisms, so for all I suggest making custom dart taggers until you're ready to do a breech.

Well, consider this scenario: You are playing an intense game with a lot of participants, and you've just fired your last streamline/CDTS/long stefan (i.e. stuff that fits/works in a stock LS). All of your ammo is now 40-50 feet away from you at best. What do you do?

If you've done a mod like this, you can pick up anything they have been firing back at you (stock taggers, micros, screamers, etc) that will fit in your clip, and keep on shooting.

If not, then all you can do is run, and hope they don't get you!

I would much rather pull out my sidearm instead of pulling out the clip, loading darts, and shoving the clip back in.

[mintee]

Why does everyone insist on making the Recon and Longshot shoot taggers? They jam in the magazine, the head interferes with the dart receiver and dart tooth.

I only see one of these issues being addressed, and that's done by cutting off the dart receiver. They'll still jam in the magazine and rub early against the dart tooth when pushed forward.

It's much easier to mod the taggers themselves than to fuck around with the gun's mechanisms, so for all I suggest making custom dart taggers until you're ready to do a breech.

Well, consider this scenario: You are playing an intense game with a lot of participants, and you've just fired your last streamline/CDTS/long stefan (i.e. stuff that fits/works in a stock LS). All of your ammo is now 40-50 feet away from you at best. What do you do?

If you've done a mod like this, you can pick up anything they have been firing back at you (stock taggers, micros, screamers, etc) that will fit in your clip, and keep on shooting.

If not, then all you can do is run, and hope they don't get you!

If you're still mucking around wars with a stock LS at a large war then I think you've got bigger problems than fitting ammo in a gun that can't fit it stock. If you've got the tools to mod your LS this much, why didn't you just go the full way and breech it? Why did you waste all your ammo? Did you bring more than just two magazines? Did you bring enough stefans/cdts/streamlines to reload a magazine or two? Can you even aim well enough with your gun to conserve ammo?

Or, do what Swords would and

pull out my sidearm instead of pulling out the clip, loading darts, and shoving the clip back in

because at a large war, you're going to get picked off if you try to reload a magazine.

[Ambience 327]

I will grant that my experience (playing mostly indoors in a decent-sized church) is probably different from what most of you outdoor nerfers are used to. However, I can't see how it would be impossible to reload a magazine or two during a game if you are sticking together with friends for support. Does everyone who uses a Longshot in wars own enough mags to keep them set for an entire game? I know that before I bought my Recons, I only had the two, and I was able to keep them loaded when I needed to, just by having teammates cover me for a moment. It really doesn't take that long to load them, and with someone watching your back (and a good sidearm within reach if things get hairy), I don't see why this would be such a terrible thing for someone who can't afford / doesn't have access to / doesn't want to carry half a dozen mags for their Longshot.

But then, I've not played in anything large outside. My only big game experience (approx 30 players in our biggest games) is indoors, so maybe all that cover plays a part in skewing my viewpoint?

[mintee]

You need to hold the magazine and put darts in it. While that by itself isn't difficult, doing so in the middle of a game means putting your gun down or holding it in your armpit, grabbing the necessary darts, putting the magazine back in the stock/pocket/gun it came from, then picking your gun up again. You've got at least five seconds where your attention is split up between the magazine and your surroundings and your weapon isn't in your hands ready to shoot. If you play outdoors where there's little or no cover then you can get picked off by a good LS/3B or worse yet, all three of you get tagged by a rushing RF20/Magstrike/shotty LBB/shotty Titan.

It's very likely when your only cover is a pillar or bush. Furthermore, the chances of having a random assortment of darts laying around where there's cover outdoors is even worse, which means scurrying in the open to get darts or slowing your movement to pick up any darts laying around. Both of which are going to get you shot.