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#1 VACC

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 12:40 PM

The +BOW

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The Crossbow has long been the sign of a nerf veteran. It is a weapon whose reliability and performance is matched only by the increasing rarity with which it can be found. The PlusBow has been designed, by our very own Captain Slug, as a homemade alternative to the crossbow. The question this review seeks to answer is, "Has Slug succeeded?" Does the +Bow represent a viable substitute, or even an upgrade, for those who cannot procure a working crossbow?

I have been an outspoken proponent of the crossbow for years. My current crossbow, Binky, has been my primary for almost a decade and has been through various modifications and iterations. Some might say this would make me a hard nerfer to sway, but that is, I suspect, precisely why CaptainSlug chose to send me the Beta version of his foam cannon with the caveat that I would evaluate and publish my thoughts on it.

What follows is a review throughout which I will compare the +bow to the crossbow on several criteria including performance, comfort, reliability/durability, legality, and potential. As such, I warn that there are no numeric ranges (if that's what you were looking for, fuck off now) posted here as they are entirely dependent on the barrel and darts of your choice, and really do not tell the tale of the weapon's effectiveness.

Finally, before I begin I want to make clear a few assumptions upon which I will base this review. 1. The Plusbow being evaluated represents Slug's working model as of today, 1/23/08, and may not be identical to models available for purchase or production at a later date. 2. The crossbow it is being compared to has been subject to standard modifications, has no integrations, and shoots roughly 90-100' depending on the ammo and barrel material. 3. The person using both weapons is VERY familiar with the crossbow, and is an experienced nerfer. 4. For a variety of reasons, this reviewer believes the Crossbow to be the single finest nerf weapon for a skilled and experienced nerfer.

Ok, on to the Review.

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PERFORMANCE:

Range
The PlusBow has matched or outranged every crossbow I have run across. Using the same barrel material and dart it is certainly a more powerful and accurate weapon. I have found that I can pick people off more easily using the +bow and its simple sighting mechanism (one raised sight in the rear matched to the front of your barrel) than I can with my crossbow. When using the gun you have a choice between 3 plunger settings, and these comparisons are utilizing the longest possible pull. The performance using the shorter pulls scales very uniformly, providing accuracy over shorter distances. I personally have found little reason to use anything but the longest pull, but the shorter pulls are certainly useful when confronting enemies at a closer range as they will marginally decrease priming time (not by much though) and are a more humane option when shooting a nearby opponent.

Consistency
More important than the maximum range, I have found, is the consistency with which this weapon shoots. As with any gun and barrel match it has its favorite ammo type, but its massive plunger tube and spring seem to fire anything I put in it with more regularity than my crossbow. I find that with my crossbow, despite its reliability, a wider variety of darts drop the range of the gun while the plusbow is generally more forgiving. This is especially useful at large wars where you may run short on your own darts and be forced to chamber a lesser make of foam projectile.

Rate Of Fire
There are 2 components to rate of fire: reload, and priming.

For reload, I use the same style of flip breach with this weapon as I do with my crossbow. The muzzle adaptor on the +bow is a little grippier than the coupler on my crossbow, and this slows my reload a bit. However, the fact that I don't have to thread my barrel down the coupler in the front to the recessed chamber, as I do with a crossbow, saves almost as much time as the tighter connection wastes.

The plunge pull is a bit longer than and not quite as smooth as that of a crossbow. The pull is a little heavier as well, but this depends entirely on how many bands you have on your crossbow I suppose. Using the double handle setup slug has designed provides a nice track for the plunger, but this is really a matter of your personal comfort. I have found that using several coat hangers bent to shape and covered in electrical tape (LNL special) is a VERY comfortable way to prime this weapon, and while I did this initially out of necessity, I am tempted to leave it that way.

Performance Advantage : Plusbow

COMFORT:

This is a bit more of a subjective evaluation, but as a long time crossbow user I feel it is an important issue. The Plusbow is modeled to replicate the feel of a crossbow very closely, and in terms of function is does that well. That said, it is difficult to match the comfort of the crossbow handle, stock, and fore grip. The foam slug has added between the parallel handle panels helps a bit, but a very healthy helping of it still falls short of the contours of the crossbow. I would recommend anyone building or purchasing this to really overstuff the handle, as a dearth of this padding may leave the heel of your palm sore when repeatedly cocking the +bow. Personally, I got over this very quickly and have had no blisters or abrasions on my hand after a full day of use, but it is definitely something one must consider. Additionally, the cocking handles provided, while making for a relatively easy pull, are not as easy on the hand as the curved crossbow handle. My coat hangers, on the other hand, are pure e-tape heaven.


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The trigger pull is another concern. The strength of the massive plunger spring and the requisite beefy nature of the catch mechanism combine to make a trigger pull that is closer in feel to the Big Bad Bow than to the hair trigger of a crossbow. Finally, the stock is of good length, but takes a little getting used to. It, again, is a flat plastic panel as opposed to a seductively curved crossbow stock. I did find, however, that Captain Slug added some foam to the rear of his personal stock and this brought it a lot closer to its nerf predecessor in feel. While the +bow has become more comfortable to me with use, the Crossbow is certainly an easier weapon to pick up and perform with on first try.

Comfort Advantage : Crossbow

RELIABILITY/DURABILITY:

When I first received my plusbow I had two concerns about this. 1: the screws slug had used to assemble it liked to jog their way out of place with a lot of use, and the plunger handle (slug had only sent one side of it) was a little flimsy. Fortunately, slug addressed both these problems and made them complete non-issues by the second war I attended with the gun. During the second war I found myself using the +bow exclusively, and had absolutely no problems with misfires, jams (the design prohibits this really) or any kind of wear and tear. The gun performs admirably similar to its non-homemade sibling. This is about the highest praise I could give a gun because the crossbow is the most reliable nerf primary I've ever used. Add to that the fact that the +bow is machined out of higher grade plastic, and that all its parts are completely replaceable and you get a leg up in the durability department like no weapon that's come before.

Reliability/Durability Advantage: Plusbow

LEGALITY:

Ok, what the hell am I talking about? This is simple really. There are many wars where homemade nerf guns are not allowed in play. In such wars the plusbow will not be an option. On the other hand, the crossbow is an original nerf blaster and will never leave you empty handed. That said, the plusbow is so similar in function and style to a stock nerf gun, combined with the fact that it is a springer, and I think you will find more venues accepting of this weapon than they are of other homemade blasters. Still, it is something you must consider. At our annual invitational war, will the other horsemen let me use my new blaster? Doubtful.

Legality Advantage: Crossbow

POTENTIAL:

This is something that the crossbow has long dominated in. The ability not only to heavily modify the blaster itself, but also to add additional components, via integration, to its spacious shell has made it the benchmark in nerf ingenuity. Well, it's met its match. The plusbow comes in no need of modification to its primary mechanism, and offers just as many options for additional components. The rail system, which Slug has added to the gun, works precisely as it appears. Though I have not yet added anything to it myself, with an appropriate bracket adding a pistol or second barrel should be a cinch. Again, I have not yet done this and cannot directly comment on its function, but with a system already in place the +bow certainly has an edge over the crossbow which must use epoxy/goop and tape to adhere its integrations. And yet, that advantage pales in comparison to the ability to refine the primary mechanism that slug has already demonstrated to me. I have had this gun for roughly 3 weeks and slug has addressed every concern I had with this blaster. He has replaced the ever loosening screws with completely secure ones, he has given me a double sided cocking handle to replace the flimsy single sided one, and I have just been told that he will ship out a new and improved trigger design that he has been working on this week. While I doubt he can keep up this kind of tech support indefinitely, he is determined to refine this weapon into a finished product that will satisfy even the harshest critics. This gun is only getting better.

Potential Advantage: Plusbow

In summary, Captain Slug has succeeded in engineering a very suitable replacement for the Crossbow. While this blaster is not the panacea of nerf weaponry that I'm sure some Slugophiles are yearning for; it does an admirable job of mimicking the crossbow's strong suits, and improving upon them when possible. While I am not ready to declare the +Bow out and out superior to the crossbow, I would highly recommend it to anyone who does not have a crossbow, and does not want to shell out the increasingly exorbitant price to obtain one.
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#2 Scotch

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 09:51 PM

Dude that's pretty badass.

Would any barrel work on that?

Also maybe you could make the plunger handle out of acrylic.

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Edited by Scotch, 23 January 2008 - 09:52 PM.

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Woah, woah, slow down there buddy. If you put it ALL in your mouth at once you're just gonna gag and get it all over the carpet.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:02 PM

LOVE. I know posts shouldn't just call something great, but this is something I never thought I'd see. It's beyond me ever to build, but I'd love to see one in action someday.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:08 PM

CaptainSlug chose to send me the Beta version of his foam cannon


As soon as I read that I was relived to find out that CaptainSlug didn't resort to child labour on this one.

Teehee, it's funny how the rumor mill spins



It all makes sense now. Anyway, yeah it's definitely looking hotter and hotter. Maybe this will make the newbies slow down on paying more than $100 on a toy gun that they heard is good.

Edited by penguin807, 23 January 2008 - 10:11 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:16 PM

Yes, you all now know that I made two +Bows and that VACC has the second unit. The prototype is in my hands and will stay there indefinitely. Production versions and community-made copies will all come at a later date.


Would any barrel work on that?

The end of the plunger chamber is a pipe fitting precisely for this reason. Use whatever kind of barrel you want to.


Also maybe you could make the plunger handle out of acrylic.

Wouldn't hold up to the stresses involved. Polycarbonate is what is used now and the only other plastic usable would be delrin, but that is more expensive. The kicker here of course is IF you don't LOVE any particular part they're all easily removed/replaced. If you want to try something else you have the freedom to do so temporarily by setting aside the original parts.

The goal is for the production version to be a platform on which everyone can try to build their ideal gun.

The past few weeks have seen a lot of functional adjustments in the design. Once I have all of those addressed to my hearts content I can focus on the much smaller details like handle shapes.
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:28 PM

Very in-depth review. I must start saving up for one now so I can snatch one when Slug begins producing and selling them. The +Bow's plunger chamber is larger than the Crossbow's, right?

Anyways, Blasphemy has quite a few ideas for that rail system, yes he does (Blasphemy likes talking in third person.). Can you say 2k/3k units!
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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:35 PM

The +Bow's plunger chamber is larger than the Crossbow's, right?

The +bow plunger chamber is quite a bit larger. I can't remember the diameter difference but the difference in length of the plunger stroke is roughly 2 inches. It had to be to get the most out of the ginormous spring the gun is designed around.

Edited by CaptainSlug, 23 January 2008 - 10:42 PM.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 10:48 PM

"Bety Nice; How much?"
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As soon as you start selling these PlusBows, Slug, you should make them exclusive as buying a Enzo Ferrari. You don't want some rich noob getting their hands on one of these babies.

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Posted 23 January 2008 - 11:08 PM

Having fired one as well, and never having had the privilege of really firing a modded xbow, I can say that I will either be making or buying one myself. I was skeptical at first, I mean, how much greater can one nerf blaster be than another. I was happy with my AT3k, but no longer, as accuracy and range are fiercely superior, as is comfort and round turnout time. One shot and I fell in love. VACC is right on with his review from my standpoint. I still have that welt you gave me. I took pictures and will frame it.

Edited by Squishy, 23 January 2008 - 11:09 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 02:00 AM

After reading VACC's review, I found myself feeling strangely protective of my Crossbow, as if I was waiting for some glaring flaw in the +bow to make the Crossbow superior, as it has been for so many years. But if the only advantages the crossbow has are in comfort and legality its days might be numbered.

I'm very happy for your accomplishment Slug, and I admire your workmanship. If it can convince VACC, I can't wait to use/see one in action at some point.

I wonder, is the +bow a Level 5 X-Bow?

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 08:54 AM

But if the only advantages the crossbow has are in comfort and legality its days might be numbered.


Wow, I could have written ANYTHING in this review and you all would have fallen into lockstep, one behind the other, to grab one of these, regardless. Listen, if all you are concerned with is shooting very far, the crossbow has been outgunned for years. No doubt the +bow is a very tempting alternative for experienced nerfers who have not been able to get their hands on the crossbow (or have one and would just like an alternative), and there are a lot of you guys out there, but if you're just looking for the biggest gun to give you an insurmountable advantage, you're a fool.

Listen, this is a great piece of homemade engineering and it may augment your game, but it will not make you good. If anything, as I implied in the reivew, this gun is MORE difficult to use well than a crossbow. This gun can be a potent weapon if you are experienced, but it is NOT the gun for a novice nerfer. I know no one wants to fess up to being, for lack of a better term, a noob, but it is in your best interest to be honest with yourself. If you are newer you would be better served getting some experience before dropping a pretty penny on this thing. Besides, the product will only improve over time as it is more thouroughly tested. Please, PLEASE, make sure you've been to a few nerf wars and know how to use this type of blaster before you go trying to buy or make one. If you don't, you'll just be losing with a more expensive toy.

Lol, I'm not trying to drive down demand on Sluggy (God knows I couldn't if I wanted to) as there are PLENTY of nerfers out there that fall into the appropriate demographic for such a product.

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 10:39 AM

But if the only advantages the crossbow has are in comfort and legality its days might be numbered.


Wow, I could have written ANYTHING in this review and you all would have fallen into lockstep, one behind the other, to grab one of these, regardless.


I'm not likely to get a +bow in the foreseeable future, as I've already got a crossbow and have no desire to spend 90 or more on another nerf gun. My point was addressing the Crossbow's dominance in the hearts and minds of nerfers over the past decade. There are other guns that outperform it, I've said that a number of times, but VACC, you've said yourself a number of times that the dependability of the crossbow is one of its more attractive points to you. You also said that the +bow is more consistent and more dependable than than the Crossbow.

I'm still unconvinced as to which one is the superior nerf weapon. That's why I'm looking forward to the opportunity to either see one in action or use one.

On a slightly unrelated note, VACC, your review kind of lacked a conclusion, which allows nerfers to make up their own minds I suppose. But your lack of conclusion left your review very ambiguous in my mind. Given the choice between Binky and your Plusbow, which would you choose?

Lastly, I don't think Slug will have any trouble selling these if he so chooses. The price of a crossbow will vary, but the availability of these Plusbows will more than make up for any difference in price or in reviews.
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 11:09 AM

But if the only advantages the crossbow has are in comfort and legality its days might be numbered.


Wow, I could have written ANYTHING in this review and you all would have fallen into lockstep, one behind the other, to grab one of these, regardless.


I'm not likely to get a +bow in the foreseeable future, as I've already got a crossbow and have no desire to spend 90 or more on another nerf gun. My point was addressing the Crossbow's dominance in the hearts and minds of nerfers over the past decade. There are other guns that outperform it, I've said that a number of times, but VACC, you've said yourself a number of times that the dependability of the crossbow is one of its more attractive points to you. You also said that the +bow is more consistent and more dependable than than the Crossbow.

I'm still unconvinced as to which one is the superior nerf weapon. That's why I'm looking forward to the opportunity to either see one in action or use one.

On a slightly unrelated note, VACC, your review kind of lacked a conclusion, which allows nerfers to make up their own minds I suppose. But your lack of conclusion left your review very ambiguous in my mind. Given the choice between Binky and your Plusbow, which would you choose?

Lastly, I don't think Slug will have any trouble selling these if he so chooses. The price of a crossbow will vary, but the availability of these Plusbows will more than make up for any difference in price or in reviews.



The post was not really aimed at you. Your quote was simply the most convenient example, and maybe that was a bad choice. Regardless, I feel the review was not ambiguous in the least. It was pretty detailed and each point I wanted to get accross was explained in detail. That said, I really don't see any need to give you guys a final verdict. I gave you all the information with which to draw your own conclusions. No one should go out and seek or not seek this weapon because I arbitrarily told them to do so. What scares me is that your last post is the ONLY one that seems to reallize that I did not just say "+BOW FTW!!!". It was not my intention to sway anyone one way or the other, just to present a balanced assessment.

Now, to answer your question Commodore (now you're brittish, isn't that unexpected) I don't think I could make a clear cut choice between the two. As the +bow is newer I have been siding with that a little more frequently over the last 2 wars, but I doubt it'll ever replace Binky. Of course there will be battles when I'm going to need the most range and accuracy I can get, and in those cases the +bow will likely win out. On the other hand, if my team is already flush with range there's nothing that fits so nicely in my hands, or I can reload so smoothly as a crossbow and lock n load. Besides, I plan on attending several wars a year, including the one I host possibly, where the +bow will be illegal (this is really the biggest issue for me). So I guess I'd have to say, if either one or the other was suddenly taken from me I would seek it out despite having the other. Why have one when I can have both (your hatred only makes me stronger)? I'm sure that's not what you were looking for, but it's just the way I feel.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry that it seemed like I was attaking you. It was not my intention. I'm gonna break off my griping, though, and would like anyone interested in the plusbow to please ask me any questions you may have.
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 01:32 PM

I couldn't have expected a better review. I've been in the wings on this plusbow versus crossbow thing for awhile, not being able to really make any declaration of superiority since I own neither. I still really can't and that suits me fine.

That said, the review was a work of art. The pros and cons of both guns were clearly laid out so that a noob like myself could educate himself. The plethora of details was awesome to say the least. I've been interested in both the crossbow and the plusbow and possibly owning them in the future. I've been holding off on my cash expenditure for quite sometime now and with good reason now I guess. i haven't really attended a war on par with the ones you guys attend regularly so I have no use for either gun at this moment. VACC, I think you did a beautiful job of laying out info for the noob population (me included, to set the record straight) I've been around for a couple months and I've seen a ton of people flying off the handle for a crossbow purchase opportunity. Your review helped me not to join that massive group of people crawling all over each other for one of those 'sacred' guns.

The sad thing is I doubt many people will take any of this to heart. If only there was a noob disclaimer on every crossbow ;)

I'm already shedding a tear for those crossbows that will be inevitably purchased and not used to it's full potential in a war and may end up collecting dust in someone's garage again.

In any case, this review was educational and very helpful. I'll stick to my longshot for a while and get some more wars under my belt before I attempt to snatch a crossbow out of the snapping jaws of some noobs. (not saying all people interested in purchasing crossbows are noobs either).
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 03:52 PM

I know no one wants to fess up to being, for lack of a better term, a noob, but it is in your best interest to be honest with yourself. If you are newer you would be better served getting some experience before dropping a pretty penny on this thing.


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Posted 24 January 2008 - 06:33 PM

VACC, your review didn't sway me. I had already suspected that if the two were to be compared that the Plusbow would win in overall performance, but the Crossbow would win out in ergonomics. I realize that I am a "noob", and I'm sure that I'm probably not ready for this homemade weapon of doom yet. In fact, recently I've decided when I am ready for it I should construct one rather than buy one from Slug, it will help me get a little more acquainted with the weapon and boost my homemade skills. For now I guess I'll stick with my Max Shot.
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Posted 24 January 2008 - 10:06 PM

VACC, your review didn't sway me. I had already suspected that if the two were to be compared that the Plusbow would win in overall performance, but the Crossbow would win out in ergonomics. I realize that I am a "noob", and I'm sure that I'm probably not ready for this homemade weapon of doom yet. In fact, recently I've decided when I am ready for it I should construct one rather than buy one from Slug, it will help me get a little more acquainted with the weapon and boost my homemade skills. For now I guess I'll stick with my Max Shot.


The Maxshot performs as well as just about any springer, so it's not a bad choice to go with. I think you'll find as you progress through more weapons that where it is surpassed is a bit in comfort and a bunch in durability. The plusbow would certainly be an upgrade in durability, but in comfort... I'm not so sure. These are things that you should judge for yourself, and I'm sure you will. I think you have the right idea in worrying more about getting some wars under your belt than in making marginal improvements to your weaponry at this point. Eventually (sooner than you'd think) you'll master the maxshot and begin identifying holes in your game that might be corrected with a change of equipment. Maybe that means a modification to your maxshot, maybe that means a different side arm or holster, and maybe that means a new primary all together. If and when that happens I'd recommend exploring this possibility, but not before. Nerf On.

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Posted 24 January 2008 - 10:19 PM

You're review is somewhat unclear to me about which one you prefer. I have been considering fabricating my own. I am currently using a modified crossbow with a sm1500 integrated. Would the +bow be more beneficial than my current crossbow?
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 01:08 AM

Eventually (sooner than you'd think) you'll master the maxshot and begin identifying holes in your game that might be corrected with a change of equipment. Maybe that means a modification to your maxshot, maybe that means a different side arm or holster, and maybe that means a new primary all together. If and when that happens I'd recommend exploring this possibility, but not before. Nerf On.

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These are very wise words for any nerfer. Like Evil (and others) has said for years, the gun doesn't make the player, but one needs a blaster that compliments one's style. The plusbow, it seems fills many of VACC's and Captain Slug's needs, but everyone does something different with their play and therefore not everyone's blaster should be identical. The plusbow is certainly not designed to be a standard issue nerf blaster, it's designed to combat the increasingly limited availability of the Nerf Crossbow.

As a personal testimonial, I've found that the reload time of the crossbow can be hazardous, so I'm working on integrating a Big(ger) Salvo into it. If I can just get that damned trigger system working...

Anyway, back on topic, I think that's where the plusbow fits in my mind and where it ultimately belongs. Not necessarily a replacement for the crossbow, but a potential stand-in if one cannot find one. After all, there were only a finite number made, and more people want them than can have them.

VACC and Captain Slug, would you agree that the strongest advantage this has over the Crossbow is its potential availability?
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 01:38 AM

On a slightly different note, some people like myself prefer using quick-draw weapons that are small, but powerful for their size. This is probably because I play in more of an urban area with a max expanse of 200 feet. In that area corners and bunkers abound and I like to be able to turn, draw, and swing in and out quickly, and although you could do that with a X/+ bow, it is, no doubt easier with a NF for instance.

Now, if one was at Hell before Halloween, I bet one would like a very consistent, solid, rifle-like weapon with great range, like the +/x bow.

Just some thoughts. If I ramble on more I'll have people building big arsenals...

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#21 CaptainSlug

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 01:45 AM

There are two sides to Rate-Of-Fire. Burst ROF and Sustained ROF. Burst ROF is very short term and once depleted will leave you spending a good deal of time reloading. Sustained ROF does not have this drawback, and instead spreads the reload time over the duration of use. Sustained ROF will usually leave you vulnerable in less dangerous amounts of time.

I am of the mindset that prefers sustained ROF. With a well-made breech or flip-around clip you can have a very fast, yet sustained ROF.

Anyway, back on topic, I think that's where the plusbow fits in my mind and where it ultimately belongs. Not necessarily a replacement for the crossbow, but a potential stand-in if one cannot find one. After all, there were only a finite number made, and more people want them than can have them.

VACC and Captain Slug, would you agree that the strongest advantage this has over the Crossbow is its potential availability?

Pretty much. The other part of the motivation is to offer something that doesn't NEED heavy modification to perform on par or better than a well-modified crossbow, so that those without the confidence or skill to modify a pristine crossbow do not have to.

Edited by CaptainSlug, 25 January 2008 - 01:52 AM.

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Posted 25 January 2008 - 08:37 AM

I'd say slug's comments are very apt. The other advantage to the +bow that I have not yet been able to explore is the very modular nature of it's integration system. I'm the kind of nerfer that likes to change it up, and prefers being able to slightly modify my rig mid war to suit different play types and team make-ups. If I get 1 or 2 of the brackets slug has described I think I would find them imeasurably useful. That said, while instalation and removal should be FAR easier with the +bow, it will take the ability to machine parts to make your own brackets (though not to the level required to create the +bow entirely). It's something I'm interested in trying out sometime in the summer.
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 06:18 PM

Say slug, exactly what kind of rail system does this use. VACC mentioned brackets so I'm assuming this is a standard picatinny-type rail, or is it something different?
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 06:54 PM

Say slug, exactly what kind of rail system does this use. VACC mentioned brackets so I'm assuming this is a standard picatinny-type rail, or is it something different?



That would be cool if that's the case. You could always just dismantle cheap airsoft accessories. Even then, I don't think it would be too hard to fabricate the system to hold it to the picatinny rail itself. Here's a crappy paint picture to demonstrate. (to those who need it)

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Just find the desired nut and screw/bolt that will thread on it with a big enough head and you should be good to go. I don't think this will be too hard for anybody on this forum to accomplish.
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Posted 25 January 2008 - 07:23 PM

The rail system is a standard spaced set of holes that allow you to attach different brackets, either of my design or your own. The brackets themselves are very easy to make since you only need to drill holes at the correct spacing.
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The basic bracket simply have a single hole in the front piece that matches the outer diameter of 1/2 size pipe. You can glue whatever gun internals to the bracket that you want, and that bracket becomes a removable integration module.

The brackets can be attached to the gun using 2-inch length screws (#6, #8, or #10 sizes will all work fine) or with 3/16" diameter quick-release pins.
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I still need to take some measurements in order to come up with other standard bracket designs, but these are very easy to make compared to the rest of the gun. I have already used the rail system to make any optional turret attachment. It performed fairly well, but I haven't experimented with it much because I wanted to perfect the slide breech.
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Edited by CaptainSlug, 25 January 2008 - 07:29 PM.

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