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[aetherguy881]

My friend an i were talking the other day and I happened to mention the Eye's of Fire (love it) and how well made it is and whether or not it's a formidable creation. He mentioned that it's not that scary. What is would be one of his friend's long shots. I asked him what mods his friend has on it and he doesn't know because he said that his friend keeps that a secret. Since I'm new to the whole nerfing hobby (but not the pneumatic launching hobby) I don't have much of a clue on what he has done or why it's so scary. Personally I'd think the potential of a 40 dart shower would be scarier or at least have the psychological part of the nerf battle.

Well that's the synopsis, I was really wondering if anyone has run across this problem where someone has a nice mod that they don't want to share. I know forums open the knowledge base for people but are there things that you leave out or are there people that you've met that don't think that telling someone their secret will be beneficial? I ask that also because the more people that know about a particular mod, the more brains there are that can potentially make it better.

[precisionnerfer]

Well, I had that problem, I didn't want to tell anyone my mods because I was selling them at the time. [not now, maybe later] It turned out that my ranges weren't consistent anyways, but yes I had the problem where I wouldn't tell my "secrets" I'm over that now though.
By the way, your first post looks great for a new member, or for anyone in my opinion, but in case you missed it, always use proper spelling and grammar here.

[CaptainSlug]

If someone here doesn't want to contribute with what they have done and how they have done it, then they don't belong here.
Nerf blasters don't work any better when filled with "secrets" and the people that have to keep their "secret" mods to themselves are usually just full of crap.

[penguin807]

I find it rather pointless and kinda stupid to keep your mod a secret. I can see their reasoning, but it's not too good.

I mean some people don't post write ups here, but that's not because they have some sort of weapon of mass destruction that they can't share in a public domain, it's generally because their mod has been posted by others, it's a very simple mod and doesn't need to be posted, or their just too lazy.

I know, I know, I'm the last person you'd expect to call people lazy for not posting mod write ups, but bare with me, I'll start to post some after Christmas (when I have money again).

Welcome to The Haven, and keep up the good posting.

Edited by penguin807, 28 November 2007 - 07:17 PM.

[Cmdrmack]

Some people do feel a need to keep their modifications a secret, so as to keep an advantage on the Nerfing field. It doesn't help anyone, and by sharing your mods people will frequently come at them with the possibility for improvement. Even though some people see either the Eyes of Fire or Doomsayer as the perfect mod, both could possibly be improved. Without posting them and getting other folks opinions of them they would never find those improvements. Imagine what would have happened if CXWQ had never publicized the use of brass as a barrel material?

Keeping modifications a secret doesn't really help anyone long term.

[CAPS]

I agree,
Ussually the people who keep the 'secret' mod dont have a life what so ever.

[aguineapig]

My guess is this kid who told his friend his "Longshot" is crazy, it's probably just spray-painted and some various cosmetic mods.

[Renegade]

I agree,
Ussually the people who keep the 'secret' mod dont have a life what so ever.

What the hell does that mean?

[CAPS]

I agree,
Ussually the people who keep the 'secret' mod dont have a life what so ever.

What the hell does that mean?

People who keep stupid secrets like a mod for a nerf gun have no life. How simple do you want me to say it?

[Thomas]

I wish I had mods that I could keep secret :/ Oh, andinvite the other kid to a war, and see what kinds of ranges he gets. If it's mediocre, he's obviously just done a spring/AR removal. If it's beyond average, talk to him about the gun and maybe he'll tell you about it.

[ultra920]

Imagine what would have happened if CXWQ had never publicized the use of brass as a barrel material?

OMC will be a hell of alot hapier.

On topic: Well, it is not something you want to make TO public, especially in school. I think Blockhead put it perfectly.

"whats in there?"SECRETS!

[last man standin]

I agree,
Ussually the people who keep the 'secret' mod dont have a life what so ever.

What the hell does that mean?

People who keep stupid secrets like a mod for a nerf gun have no life. How simple do you want me to say it?

Its not that he didnt understand, its just that was really a retarded comment. Do you know what having no social life is? Well, not publishing a mod doesnt get in the way of your social life at all.

[zxnam]

It's like programming, Everything put out will be eventually topped and made better. If you don't share your mod, it has a 0% chance of being improved upon.

[nerfalchemist]

This guy brought up a lot of controversy about his “secret mods”.

[SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA]

Problems with not sharing mods:

• It doesn't advance the hobby, which is why most of us do share mods. For the benefit of the other 5000-some-odd active members here. Improvements can't be made by those repeating the process.
• People can't believe your ranges without knowing what you did to get them. You could claim 100 feet from a Maverick when you did only an AR-removal and a spring replacement. People lie about their ranges because they think it makes their dicks bigger.
• Rubbing the performance in without sharing knowledge makes you a douche.
• The person loses a lot of respect in the community because they aren't willing to help others. Often, that person's gun breaks and they come crawling off their pedestal to beg for help from those he just pissed off, expecting them to be so overcome with sympathy that results will be produced.

My advice, either 1-up him with another mod or ignore him entirely.

Edited by SHADOW HUNTER ALPHA, 28 November 2007 - 05:12 PM.

[Tofu]

Its stupid to keep a mod secret. Then like somebody else said it can't be improved. I see writeups all the time that have been improved by others so why not post it. It might make your gun better altogether.

[BustaNinja]

Its really hard to be acctually taken seriosly when you pull the secret mod bullshit. I Like people to think I am an honest person so if I have a groundbreaking mod I would gladly share it.

There's the other thing. Talking about people not contributing but its hard when most of your mods are of athstetic nature. I really dont think my ideas for detachable stocks deserve a write up. But again, keaping mods secret only leads to hurt egoes and smaller dicks for the people who say its secret.

[frost vectron]

There's only so much you can do to a nerf gun.

Saying that you're keeping a mod a secret is only a blatant insult to everybody else because anyone with a reasonable amount of knowledge in nerf guns and physics can figure out what was done to the gun (perhaps not exactly down to which materials, but the rough concept of it all). It's like saying that you did something that was fairly simple and we all don't have the intelligence to figure it out unless you tell us how. That's not how it is at all. We all know how a nerf gun works, generally, so how can any mod be a secret? Mod write-ups are essentially guides for materials, techniques, and sizes/placement to get your shit working without much trial and error.

@ Nerfalchemist: That guy was a douche bag because he kept his mods a secret AND expected people here to help him with his problem. If you aren't willing to contribute, then why should we help you? It's not about if you contribute or not; it's about if you have the opportunity to contribute, and then you don't.

Not to mention his secret mods were standard, unoriginal, modding practices we all know about here anyways.

It's like saying that your bottled water has a secret ingredient! Well yes, water!

So back to the main point of the topic:

To your friend with the longshot. Look at Angel's longshot. That is probably the highest attainable level of longshot you can do (without integrations of sorts). So basically it's impossible for your friend to have a longshot more modded than Angel's. Get the idea? There's always an upper limit somewhere. "Secret mods" usually don't go above this limit (mainly because if you're calling your mod a secret, it isn't likely to be revolutionary or ground-breaking).

Edited by frost vectron, 28 November 2007 - 09:06 PM.

[Forsaken angel24]

Fuck modification secrets!

There was only one time I kept my modifications a secret and it was for the Assassin games.
Why did I modify my gun? To have an edge over the competition.
Why did I keep it a secret on how I did it? To keep that edge over the competition.
All I did was mod a nite finder and take off the peg of the LBB.
These mods were on the internet already.

I only keep mods a secret until the write up is finished.
Only one or two members on here have an idea or know what I am working on next.

I actually have four mods in the works.


Small written teasers:
1: Weird mod to a gun that doesn't have a write up yet. 95% complete.
2: Crazy super pistol of doom that doesn't have an official name yet. 60% complete.
3: The next Massive project that is eating away at most of my time. 40% complete.
4: Cool pistol mod with a unique write up. 5% complete.

Usually its not good to have 2 or more projects going at once but these ideas will not stop.

The way I see it the more write ups we do and the more creativity we use, The more people we will attract to the sport.

[jwasko]

Usually its not good to have 2 or more projects going at once but these ideas will not stop.

I feel you, man. I sit in my dorm thinking of ideas instead of studying, then when I get home and can modify stuff I end up working on several projects at once. Result: nothing gets done.

On topic: Who cares about his "secret" mods. If he doesn't want to contribute to your (and everyone else's) knowledge of Nerf, then he that's his business. He's acting like an idiot, sure, but it doesn't really matter. Come up with an original, better, modification and one-up him, or something.

[frost vectron]

Usually its not good to have 2 or more projects going at once but these ideas will not stop.

Couldn't agree with you more. The worst thing is when you have multiple projects that span across multiple hobbies... I can't seem to figure out which hobby I want to work on in a given day, and then there's the problem of setting everything up once you decide that.

Can't wait to see the new stuff, Angel!

I am working on quite a few things as well (at least I have wanted to, but haven't started yet), namely the modders' "Race to the Ratchetblast".

Edited by frost vectron, 29 November 2007 - 01:46 AM.

[jwasko]

I am working on quite a few things as well (at least I have wanted to, but haven't started yet), namely the modders' "Race to the Ratchetblast".

Yeah, I'll get started on mine as soon as someone (cough Dark Shrimp cough) completes the deal for a Ratchet Blast.

I may end up just using my Rattler, though. I don't really care about the thing compared to Ratchet Blasts, and a Rattler really has all the essential elements needed for the mod (except about 100 orders of cool).

And I'll be sure to share my mod with all of you!

[Pineapple]

There's only so much you can do to a nerf gun.

That's my thoughts in one sentence.

Saying that you're keeping a mod a secret is only a blatant insult to everybody else....like saying that you did something that was fairly simple and we all don't have the intelligence to figure it out unless you tell us how.

And by that, it supposed to garner some respect from the community. In reality, it makes the community notice with bold emphasis what a moronic suppository they are.

That guy was a douche bag because he kept his mods a secret AND expected people here to help him with his problem. If you aren't willing to contribute, then why should we help you? It's not about if you contribute or not; it's about if you have the opportunity to contribute, and then you don't.

Not to mention his secret mods were standard, unoriginal, modding practices we all know about here anyways.

That was the giveaway.

ANYONE who mods, should know how to get himself out of a screw-up, or trash the damn thing and not tell anyone about it. I confess, I trashed many a good, usable blaster in the name of research and development to make some performance gains. I hang my head in shame about my AirTech Jet Squadron!


So new people, "secret" modifications = doofus. Share with your community.



-Piney-