#1
Posted 22 December 2008 - 06:35 PM
Here's the link: Right Here Notice on the 2nd post, another user (nerfer34, I think) stated his bladder "popped". Now, I don't know if I should actually risk it by banding, or just leave it as if. Of course, I would band if I knew it's safe, since it will increase range (duh). I just want to know if you guys have tried to band it, and did it work for you? A few suggestions would help, and I'd prefer if you actually had a Magstrike other than predicting the outcomes.
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#2
Posted 22 December 2008 - 06:41 PM
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#3
Posted 22 December 2008 - 06:55 PM
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#4
Posted 22 December 2008 - 07:00 PM
Where nerfer34 said it popped... Sometimes they pop, sometimes they don't. If you want to risk your magstrike, go right ahead.Okay, this is going to sound stupid, but where ?
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Posted 22 December 2008 - 07:54 PM
#6
Posted 22 December 2008 - 08:24 PM
<a href="http://nerfhaven.com...howtopic=20409" target="_blank">Make it pump-action</a>
#7
Posted 22 December 2008 - 08:31 PM
Could you use a bigger, thinner bladder to put less pressure on the air so it would just cycle the arm and piston slower?TantumBull is correct. Actually, on the Magstrike I'm working on, I'm exploring ways to slow the damn thing down; it's too fast to be useful. The most common misconception regarding the magstrike is that the air from the bladder somehow fires the darts. It does not. Rather, it powers a piston that fires the darts like a springer would, and a reciprocating arm that advances the clip.
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#8
Posted 22 December 2008 - 08:33 PM
All you need is a flow control valve inbetween the trigger valve and the piston. Adjusting the flow rate will allow you to adjust the time it takes for the piston to reach the pressure level at which it will fire the dart.I'm exploring ways to slow the damn thing down; it's too fast to be useful.
#9
Posted 22 December 2008 - 09:28 PM
Actually, that is inaccurate. The piston has no "power stroke." The air that is stored in the bladder, does in fact propel the dart out of the barrel.Actually...the most common misconception regarding the magstrike is that the air from the bladder somehow fires the darts. It does not. Rather, it powers a piston that fires the darts like a springer would, and a reciprocating arm that advances the clip.
Basically the air from the bladder enters the piston/tank system. As the pressure builds up, the piston head is pushed back. After it reaches a certain point, it engages the valve head and pulls it back as well. As it pulls back, the valve opens and the air rushes out and launches the dart.
If you're still skeptical, you can test this by slowly adding air to the piston/tank system. If you can't see all that is happening, and it still seems that is still launching the darts via a standart springer/plunger method, hold onto the part that gets pushed back, not allowing it to return. You'll notice that air still rushes out of the tank just as it did before, with no less force.
How banding the bladder makes a difference:
You are increasing the amount (not volume, but mass, the actual amount of air molecules) of air in the bladder. If you band it (with bike innertube, not rubberbands) you increase the amount of pressure necessary to exand the bladder. So at maximum volume, you may have 80% more air in the bladder under a higher pressure than before. This air fills the piston/tank a bit faster causing it to operate at a slightly higher rate of cycles per second. The more notable difference is the amount of shots you get per fill. Because there is more air in the bladder, and the amount of air necessary to fill the piston/tank hasn't changed, you can fill it more times before the bladder empties.
If you want to increase range:
Band the piston (with a rubber-band). Putting a band around the piston increases the amount of force necessary to push back the piston. So, a higher pressure is needed to create this force. Higher air pressure with the same volume, again, means more air in the tank/piston that can propel the dart forward. (This is like plugging the pump on your again to allow more pressure to build up in the tank).
So, in summation:
Banding the bladder (with bike intertube) slightly increases ROF and can greatly increase the amount of shots you get per bladder fill.
Banding the piston (with a rubberband) improves range.
As far as popping your bladder is concerned, I don't think that's very big of a risk when you band it with bike innertube. I've had the bike innertube "pop" (just a tear in the seam) in my Arachnophobia II which was double layered with bike innertube (a major pain to actually accomplish), but that had more to do with contact with sharp edges than over-pressurization.
Edited by imaseoulman, 02 February 2009 - 10:45 AM.
#10
Posted 23 December 2008 - 03:19 AM
#11
Posted 23 December 2008 - 10:06 AM
#12
Posted 23 December 2008 - 12:04 PM
If you are familiar enough with your magstrike that you would feel comfortable replacing any popped tubing then I would do it. And if you don't, then don't. It really only increases ROF which in my opinion is fast enough. I did it with my magstrike but later unbanded it (I didn't like the idea of shooting off 10 rounds in 3/4 of a second)
Your choice.
#13
Posted 23 December 2008 - 12:10 PM
So wait, it still has a fast air release like normal air guns do? Does this mean I should use an air gun barrel fit on the clip, because I thought I should use a tight fit when I thought the gun was actually spring powered?
Yes you could cut off the piston and just add a barrel onto that, but you would get very poor ranges. The air release speed is not amazingly quick. It shoots off the whole bladder in a little under a second, but remember that a second is a whole lot of time for the air to release. The dart would just barely leave the barrel because there would be no sudden pressure build up/release.
#14
Posted 23 December 2008 - 12:26 PM
The dart would just barely leave the barrel because there would be no sudden pressure build up/release.
The way to make the magstrike a good single gun, you need to integrate a at2k for it's good air release.
like the Phoenix
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#15
Posted 23 December 2008 - 01:40 PM
So wait, it still has a fast air release like normal air guns do? Does this mean I should use an air gun barrel fit on the clip, because I thought I should use a tight fit when I thought the gun was actually spring powered?
Yes you could cut off the piston and just add a barrel onto that, but you would get very poor ranges. The air release speed is not amazingly quick. It shoots off the whole bladder in a little under a second, but remember that a second is a whole lot of time for the air to release. The dart would just barely leave the barrel because there would be no sudden pressure build up/release.
Wait, what the fuck? I'm not retarded enough to single a magstrike. That isn't at all what I was talking about.
#16
Posted 23 December 2008 - 01:44 PM
A: Only if it can do something that no other blaster can do.
#17
Posted 21 March 2012 - 04:12 PM
Anywhere I could possibly buy a new bladder?
#18
Posted 21 March 2012 - 07:14 PM
I just had this problem today. Just before a basement war, I heard a loud pop.
Anywhere I could possibly buy a new bladder?
Nope. Bye.
You can poop in my toilet anytime champ.
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