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#100468 Nerf Shotgun

Posted by Jergling on 26 February 2007 - 06:49 PM in Homemades

Is your shotgun going to fire off multiple darts? Or is it just going to work like a shotgun?

Even though I'm a noob here, I'm a gamer, and this is really irritating to me too, you people need to understand that shotguns fire SHOT, which is a bunch of projectiles at once, please try to understand that.

#100965 C.s.h.g.

Posted by Jergling on 09 March 2007 - 10:24 PM in Homemades

Looking at the first design, I noticed that the hopper either moved or was removed, were the darts going to be picked up by a notched gear thing at the bottom of it, like a rotational breech? Is there any way we could view that model in 3D for ourselves? I understand things better visually, and the only 3D/CAD program that I have is Sketchup. :lol:

#100568 C.s.h.g.

Posted by Jergling on 28 February 2007 - 06:05 PM in Homemades

Oddly (for me), that first idea made perfect sense to me. I was thinking about making an airsoft like that, especially the rotating loading, I thought it would be effective to crank the plungers back by screw-like threads in the outter casing. Is that what i'm seeing?

#100976 C.s.h.g.

Posted by Jergling on 10 March 2007 - 09:30 AM in Homemades

Oh, I see. Is this whole thing based on rotating, I know you said it was initially to be drill driven, then hybrid. Just wondering. All the distinctly moving pieces I see seem to be threaded, spiraled or otherwise screw-like.

Regardless, the way you've worked this whole thing out is still amazing to me, my mechanical building skill is minimal.

Edit: had a few missing commas, periods, capitals (very careful about that now)

#101860 Doubleshot Mod Write-up

Posted by Jergling on 05 April 2007 - 05:41 PM in Modifications

They really let members (of the forum) come in? wow.

"they" were the companies manufacturing Nerf-type guns, and I understand that they have engineers, but the engineers have more "cool-factor" (and safety) than power, in mind when designing the guns. Of course, they must be contract-bound to do this, since the idea behind Nerf sales is:

(as in all sales companies)

1. Make stuff look good to profit sales (longshot, max-force line)

2. Don't get sued (did someone say "DO NOT MODIFY' clause?)

Obviously, buzzbee puts functionality so far down on their to-do lists, and power is even lower than that, that the output is what they hope for it to be - safe for parents to let thier kids shoot themselves point blank in the head and not get hurt. Nerf is more powerful, less of a novelty/dollar-store toy, but it does seem a lot more fun to mod a cheap gun, not only does it have a lot of room to improve, but also it's disposable, cheap, and screwed up mods are easily just thrown away. I guess there is a positive side to worthlessness... :unsure:

thus my currently most commonly used screenname: iSuck

#101771 Doubleshot Mod Write-up

Posted by Jergling on 03 April 2007 - 04:28 PM in Modifications

I saw some bored kids in a baskin robin's playing with one of these once, they were shooting it at the counter. It seemed to have reasonable power, but they may have just had one of those one-in-a-million guns that miraculously works well, like unskipping razorbeasts, or welt-inducing mavericks.

Regardless, 40' is obviously way better than this gun could have acheived unmodded. Are the barrels seriously larger than the dart, that would just be stupid manufacturing/design.

--------------Slightly off topic, just thinking: wouldn't it be better though?-------------

Makes me wonder why they don't hire actual nerfers to design their guns. Even some of the forum noobs could make a better Nerf weapon-given the opportunity to use the company machinery. (Maybe they don't let us design nerf because we would end up with weapons of mass-foam-destruction)

#90873 New Version Bbb Mod

Posted by Jergling on 30 September 2006 - 09:31 AM in Modifications

Very nice. What is the BBB's stock range or out of the box by the way?

it does shoot around 30' stock, but when I tried it with Big Salvo arrows It went somewhere around 70', It was pretty awsome. the salvo arrows were more front heavy and shorter, plus the wings dont fall off. But now my bbb only shoots Micro darts because of the liberally applied duct tape around the barrel.

#109608 Future Nerf War Crime

Posted by Jergling on 05 June 2007 - 04:56 PM in Homemades

Well, I can't believe I'm going to agree with the post:

They actually have these. Not to shoot nerf balls, or tennis balls, or potatoes, but (of all things) shirts.

At basketball games, the do have "shirt cannons" that shoot rolled-up tee-shirts to the crowd using a pressure tank. If you modified it and replaced the shirts (which go pretty far considering they're cotton wads) with something sensible to shoot at people like a foam-rubber dodgeball

Shirt cannons

The best picture I found of what foam I'm talking about.

You could make a fun little "pirate-cannon" out of this, and it would make gym class a good deal easier...

#102102 Barrel Length

Posted by Jergling on 11 April 2007 - 08:44 PM in Homemades

I think I understand flaming hilt, but:

To be sure I'm getting this right, are you saying the barrel should be only the same volume as the plunger tube? that makes sense.

Revealing a bit more about my 'under wraps' gun (no I haven't started it), I plan to have a plunger tube and spring slightly more powerful than a maverick (for less cocking pressure), and I'm trying to avoid centrifical spray from a moving-and-shooting turret. I'm thinking about 6" barrels with 2-3" shells. I'm inexperienced with this, so my shells may suck, but regardless, would nearly 10" of barrel be reasonable for a maverick strength gun?

Thanks for the quick comments.

#103932 Barrel Length

Posted by Jergling on 04 May 2007 - 05:17 PM in Homemades

Wow, I didn't expect posts back on this any more, but I have some more information I'm going to disclose:

I built the plunger tube for my gun, and I'm getting the fishtail thing, my plunger tube is reverse of normal homemades like the SCAR/FAR, with a large tube moving over a small one (the barrel). I installed a very basic breech, and rubber bands force the plunger forward since I have no springs. This plunger easily has several times the power of the Mav, so scratch that.

Moving on, the breech sucks. Where do I get foam sheets? I've been using duct tape for seal... also, right now the only thing really hindering the performance to an average of 20' is that half of the shots are misfires due to the duct tape's rubberiness. I think with a smooth (and sealed) breech and plunger I could raise my range to at least 60' (good enough for what I want to use this for)

#102091 Barrel Length

Posted by Jergling on 11 April 2007 - 06:50 PM in Homemades

Anyway, is there a plus to longer barrels, or shorter barrels, in real guns, the bullet is straightened in flight by a long barrel, in Nerf guns, the pressure behind the dart is constant, and the dart may even be slowed by friction.

So, what barrel lengths are reasonable? I understand that having a dart protrude from the end is power reducing (thus the use in store-bought guns) but is there any reason to make a barrel excessively longer than the dart itself?

I would tell you about why I'm asking this, but that would be one of those "can it be done?" posts, which is flame inducing. if that makes you mad-

I know this is half the kind of "asking and not doing" post that gets flamed, but I believe it is a valid question.

#100964 Big Salvo

Posted by Jergling on 09 March 2007 - 10:16 PM in Modifications

Wow, and I thought the Salvo was good with micros just crammed down the barrel...

#90710 Xbow Mega Mod

Posted by Jergling on 28 September 2006 - 04:21 PM in Modifications

The more of these awsome xbow mods i see, the more i wish I had cared about nerf when I was younger...

#100586 Cheapest Homemade Ever!

Posted by Jergling on 28 February 2007 - 09:11 PM in Homemades

Not if I use a really cheap motor. I think this thing might disintegrate before I find a solid place to attach anything beyond its already incredibly basic system.

The shotgun part of it is going to be helped by the dart pushing approach, since my shotgun idea has absolutely no seal to help the dart ge pushed out, and in fact works almost like a vent for pressure-a bad thing.

Also, I am probably going to be able to pick it up this Friday.

#100473 Cheapest Homemade Ever!

Posted by Jergling on 26 February 2007 - 07:06 PM in Homemades

This sucks, and in fact, the way you type pretains to grammatical laws much less than mine. (I'm not an idiot people). To be harrassed for grammar on the internet is stupid, I'm done with this site, you have no power to keep me here or to criticise irrelevant topics.

Bye.

#100463 Cheapest Homemade Ever!

Posted by Jergling on 26 February 2007 - 06:37 PM in Homemades

Laugh at me if you will, but i think that I have succeded in make possibly the worst, cheapest nerf gun ever, with a length of pvc, balsa wood, some fbr, a stick, and a rubber band. this thing is incomplete, but i've gotten it to fire a makeshift stefan (which had WAY too much wheight) about 20 feet. Also, I'm thinking about a turning it into an actual shotgun, by slicing a dart lengthwise into fourth pie slices.

NOTE: a shotgun is a gun that shoots SHOT, rifles are very different from shotguns, to be a shotgun, it needs to fire spraying particles.

Don't laugh at my noobiness, I only intended to make a slingshot in the first place.

#100541 Cheapest Homemade Ever!

Posted by Jergling on 28 February 2007 - 11:58 AM in Homemades

Please stop, I'm back, I PM'ed Badger, I'll fix my grammar.

And yes, that drawing is exactly what my gun looks like from the top, down to the detail of the tapered stick.

I don't have the gun with me, I built it with garbage at my grandparents' house when I was bored.

I'll draw a actual picture now, I guess I should explain like you said.

(the dart had this giant lead tack in it)

#100545 Cheapest Homemade Ever!

Posted by Jergling on 28 February 2007 - 12:31 PM in Homemades

I really hope this link works. I drew this is under 5 minutes, so it's not really top quality.

(my imageshack screenname is a mac joke, and a typo that I don't really care about)

#100549 Cheapest Homemade Ever!

Posted by Jergling on 28 February 2007 - 01:11 PM in Homemades

Yes, the clip is on the real one, made from balsa (no idea how it's holding up), and tacky glue.

I also left my 20' length of FBR at my grandparents' house to straighten, its been a month since I left it there, and last time I wen there I slept the whole time with the flu, so I will bring it home next time, and use BBs and hot glue to make real stefans.

Is there anything that I can do to conserve that foam, I'd rather be using the skewered length to make stefans, could I replace it?

#114152 Iphone!

Posted by Jergling on 02 July 2007 - 02:32 PM in Off Topic

I think there was a missed point here in the graphics thing (yes, I'm further derailing the topic, I know)

Macs still have several things better that Windows, mainly in graphics and storage/data management. Mac's Hard drives never have to be defragged, due to the more advanced storage system-something that Windows would require an entire system rewrite from scratch to make available, not to mention the product recalls for harddrive disfunctions after programming problems. Macs also have integrated graphics memory, simplifying the way the graphics work. Macs are made for media, Windows works well with direct data input (games and docs).

typically, macs are used for graphics because they become "traditional" and becuase they handle graphics well.

The iPhone probably won't do well, honestly. It is an apple flop, but it's still awsome in capabilities. I was really just waiting for it to come out so I could see the demo models in the apple store

#102099 High School Pranks...

Posted by Jergling on 11 April 2007 - 07:36 PM in Off Topic

I haven't played a lot of pranks, but there are some that are just too stupid to try, especially for a nerd.

1: I figured this one out today, and it not only gets someone slimed in bodily fluids, but might get you a "get out of school free" pass if you tell the nurse.
first, chug milk (on an empty stomach)
next, chug orange-juice
For those of you who havent done this, it causes the milk to curdle in your stomach, creating a mock stomach flu. Not reccommended for those faint of heart... or stomach

2: This is also less of a prank, but sometimes it's amusing to be an "aggressive driver" in the halls. I made a lot of people angry by calling them road-blocks, or my favorite: wide loads.

3: I won't outstay my welcome on this thread, but here's one last one off the top of my head. using sticky-tack, gum, erasers, or anything else small and slightly moldable, you can jam people's lockers open, but make them appear to close.
in three places on the door, there is a "barb" shaped like this:
|\
-------- \
^^^ \
\
-------------

The carrats point to what I call the 'lock point'. once the lock-pole slides into this, it won't come out until the lock is removed, and the trigger pulled upwards.
To stick the locker open, find something (I've found large, removable erasers work best) to close of the barb, and turn it into an arrow:
----------
ERASER \
|------| \
\
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When you see the opportunity, cram the object into the lock-point area, and it should stay unlocked, but closed if done correctly.

Seriously, don't try to vomit on people though. It was an accident. Kinda...
And the aggressive driving was kinda kiddy, but fun.

#103405 High School Pranks...

Posted by Jergling on 01 May 2007 - 04:19 PM in Off Topic

That one with weights in a phone was on The Office. But since i'm on that topic, there are some others on that show worth mentioning.

Pretendonitis: humming a really high note, the goal was to make Dwight go to the ear doctor, but if that doesn't work it can still be pretty annoying.

The other one I thought of was kind of like the clock thing. You take someone's cell phone, hide it in the cieling/tape it under chair and call it over and over. The cieling is probably the best choice. I wish I had done this when I found a phone at a party. I knew the owner, but I couldn't find the number.

#101425 E.b.c.

Posted by Jergling on 25 March 2007 - 06:59 PM in Homemades

I wish I had made one of those when I was home for a week with pneumonia. I guess it works best with bunks though.

The simplicity interests me. Maybe if you used a shorter air tank, you could make it detachable from the bed, and reattachable for when your done, so if you miss the first time, you can rush the 'intruder'.

Speaking of shotgunning, no one has told me if they've used my shotgun dart design in a homemade. If you want to try that (the barrel is certainly long enough) you can see the design here.

(Also, thanks for noting that it was a ball valve, I was trying to figure out what those quick-release kinds were called)

#109602 Co2 Rocket

Posted by Jergling on 05 June 2007 - 04:43 PM in Homemades

Before you attempt this, I will warn you (Yes, CS is right, this is altogether a BAD idea, but...)

The force required to make this thing shoot horizontally would be nearly impossible. With spiraled fins, shooting it at the desired target would require so many calculations that by the time you had it positioned to coordinates, your target would be hundreds of feet away.

Military rocket launchers have enough power and flight technology to shoot on a horizontal plane. Real rockets that are more advanced need room for computers, and so those are the ones your would have to model after.

Non-horizontal, hellfire rocket launchers use a precisely delayed timer to first shove the rocket lightly out of the tube, and then (the gyroscopes and timers work here) it waits until just the right moment in falling out of the tube so that it's angled upwards and launches from there.

There is almost no way to have that kind of gyroscopically delayed rocket made of foam. Even if you tried to make it launch horizontally, the weight of the rocket and CO2 tank together would stay in balance to keep it from simply dropping out of the barrel (and maybe drifting five feet)

And, yes there's more, it's really dangerous. Not a particularly good idea to be playing with unregulated co2 tanks.

(I thought about this at one point too, I just don't think it's safe or practical to do)

#100969 Moddable?

Posted by Jergling on 09 March 2007 - 11:02 PM in General Nerf

Oh god.... THAT THING.

that was my first reaction

it's not designed to shoot far.

I don't think so, it's just that it's launching what looks like a half pound bobber, if you completely removed the hook and line system (and if it uses air pressure) this may shoot pretty far with a barrel mod. If it's not air powered, forget it.

#102791 Sonic Bazooka Mod

Posted by Jergling on 28 April 2007 - 02:57 PM in Modifications

Wow, that's pretty nice for a newcomer, wish I had something like that to post when I first joined.

What are the removable barrels for?

#100612 The Most Awesome Gun I Own...

Posted by Jergling on 01 March 2007 - 12:05 PM in General Nerf

I think my RF20 came pre-used. The box was suspiciously dented, and the thing would fire at randome intervals during the night. I tried to mod it a while back (I got it when I was like 10) and the thing refuses to fire. The only plus to this thing is the 20 dart continual fire.

Then my trigger shattered, and It became even more defective.

#115356 Homemade Air Rifle

Posted by Jergling on 10 July 2007 - 09:33 PM in Homemades

*this post has been cleared*

Sorry, I didn't realize my brother still had access to my Nerfhaven account because of the "remember me" setting for his computer (which I used to use). I'm shutting down the auto-loggin on his computer, so this won't happen again.

#103410 Average Height.

Posted by Jergling on 01 May 2007 - 04:31 PM in Off Topic

Ha, I'm just starting my growth spurts, and I'm already around 6'. I wan't to get taller still though so I can be the only nerd in my school who beats up "popular" kids who make me angry. I'm violent... kinda.

#101023 Bike Pump Burst Seal Rifle

Posted by Jergling on 12 March 2007 - 03:27 PM in Homemades

The burst seal thing might actually turn out to be easy to reload, and I'm trying to create a shell/cartridge for this thing that holds the seal and has a preloaded dart in the end, It may turn out to be incredibly long though.

Btw: The barrel is half inch PVC, and I still have to cram deflated stock darts in to make them fit, while still hanging an inch out of the barrel. What size PVC should I be using? The only reason the PVC is so wrongly sized is because I'm recycling it from an old mosquito net frame (that I'll never use again).

Would shells be a good idea? or just not worth the time to make.

#101008 Bike Pump Burst Seal Rifle

Posted by Jergling on 11 March 2007 - 06:21 PM in Homemades

I fully owe the accomplishment of this weapon to Badger, who's idea I found when browsing old topics:

I made a burst seal gun, I got it to shoot around 40' with 4 layers of plastic bag (search "burst seal" for a full explanation) I used a bike pump and two pieces of PVC. I will post pictures soon, but I'm in a hurry right now, they may be posted tomorrow.

The pressure sorce was a foot pump, and I just smashed bag between a big and small piece of PVC.

I hope to put a better barrel on it, and then maybe a burst-shell system of sorts could be installed, and possibly a breech.

Thank you Badger

I wrote this in hurry, really sorry I can't post pics right now.

Got more time, here's some pics:

The Gun

The valve/pump connection

I makeshiftly connected the pump by wrapping layers of duct tape over the end of the tube, and sticking a basketball inflator needle through them. The adhesive made a resonable seal.

The burst seal is just crushed between pipes, if you can see that.

I got it to shoot around 15' with no burst seal, and in the open (at an upward firing angle) with 5 layers of bag, it got around 50' (That's an approximation)

Edit: added bottom section

#101273 Longshot Repair...

Posted by Jergling on 21 March 2007 - 06:46 PM in Modifications

Man, I am so stupid <---Reasons as follows, as well as recommendation.

I forgot about epoxy, I see things on it everywhere, and still I'd forgotten It's the perfect plastic glue.

^recommendation: epoxy is awsome

I've had this broken bolt/cocking handle to a Tornado for so long, I will try epoxy on it, if it's not too mutilated from the 5 other coats of glue.

^don't make that mistake, use epoxy first thing, then maybe plastic welder.

Epoxy is the answer (thanks for reminding me). Plastic welder is cool sounding.

It works on jagged edges too, but if that one post meant shatterered pieces, cut a new one.

#101780 The South Shall Rise Again!

Posted by Jergling on 03 April 2007 - 05:51 PM in General Nerf

We only have Assassin games out here. I wish we had wars. There is less paranoia and an equal amount of adrenaline there.

Wow, I just realized how much assasin games would ruin your life for a week with anxiety...

Their used to be wars at my own fucking high school during the summer and I had no idea.

I feel the same way... I joined just a little late. Still, fads come in waves. It pretains to the way things are usually adopted first by the oldest, then work their way down untill all the little 6-year-olds want whatever the colledge students wanted a week ago. Nerf waves typically start in the other direction, the little kid sees the add on TV, their grade-school brother hears about it from them, brings it to school, and tells his friends how awsome it is. Older and older people get interested, and for some it hangs on after being a fad, those people are the ones dedicated to boards like this.

Nerf, not only in the south (as the forum creater claims), is slowly moving towards its demise currently, if nerf makes something truly interesting, the wave could start again. Linking these ideas, I think we just need another Nerf fad-wave to bring Nerfing back to the South, and everywhere else where it's fading.

-just a thought... (off topic?-I'll edit)

#101815 The South Shall Rise Again!

Posted by Jergling on 04 April 2007 - 03:20 PM in General Nerf

Oh, that wasn't the intent of that statement. Sorry, I meant that Nerf has been in a downward spiral in general, I don't think it's going to fail or just all out stop though.

#107106 Plunger Lubricants...

Posted by Jergling on 22 May 2007 - 05:38 PM in Modifications

WD-40 eats plastic.

That would explain why my PVC plunger setup stopped working. I'm gonna go find some Vaseline or something. Oh, wait, petroleum based...

Isn't petroleum the base of plastic though?

#102790 The Summer Influx Of Newcomers

Posted by Jergling on 28 April 2007 - 02:54 PM in General Nerf

Ok, this is my once a month post, as I try to limit my forum use to avoid addiction (yes, it's happened to me).

The summer is obviously the perfect time to start nerfing, thus the influx of new members by the thousands. I probably joined at the wrong time, when "prey" for angry members to flame about was scarce, and I consider myself quite the whatsit magnet. Still, there are now about 5 posts saying "Hi, I'm a noob" on the forum, and, being a noob once myself, I would like to contribute some vital knowledge beyond the code of conduct.

For one (I don't want to backseat moderate, that's not the purpose of this post) don't post a "hi, I'm here and I'm a noob" message, that was practically what my Cheapest Homemade Ever! topic was, and if you'll read it, you can see why no good comes of that. Don't start a flame war.

Learn your superiors: this should come naturally, but don't TRY to create trouble. For instance it would be a BAD idea to flame at Pineapple or Groove. Don't

With all those "don't"s you're probably wonder what you should do. You should (to at a minimum avoid being banned)

1. Post reasonable topics
2. Make sense
3. Actually read the Code of Conduct (I didn't, and man did I screw up)

Again, this is a post for the newcomers from someone who really wrecked his account in the start. I'm not trying to backseat moderate, just save people from making a bad first impression, and negatively reinforcing-so don't do what I did, noobs.

#103390 The Summer Influx Of Newcomers

Posted by Jergling on 01 May 2007 - 03:35 PM in General Nerf

Ok, well, I see that some of the even newer members didn't read this (a few more "Hi, I'm a noob" posts, but oh well, thanks for reading anyway.

Other than that, what were you saying, Rambo? I didn't get any of that, something about OMC... maybe that picture?

I honestly don't know. Please tell me that wasn't something against my post.

Oh, and besides that, I don't think I ever more than implied/PMed this: The post in The Cheapest homemade ever about me quitting the forums was an outburst of disease induced deleria. If anyone is mad at me about that, I didn't mean it, nor do I really have any idea why I posted it.

Pneumonia really sucks.

#100963 Concept Dart

Posted by Jergling on 09 March 2007 - 10:11 PM in Modifications

I had extra time with some FBR, I don't know if this has already been invented, but I roughly mentioned it in another post.

By pie-slicing a short (to conserve foam) FBR dart body, and attaching BBs to the end, I made a shotgun dart, which shoots up to four incredibly small darts every shot. I'm still trying to perfect it, but it fires reasonably strong, and I can shoot it out of any stefan-capable gun.

I need suggestions on how to get better sealance with the cracks, and I thing this would only be effective in shell-loading guns, as it takes around 20 seconds to get the pieces together. Speaking of which, maybe their's a better way to put them together.

Here's some pictures that were mostly too close for my camera to focus on.

Suggestions?

#100986 Concept Dart

Posted by Jergling on 10 March 2007 - 08:31 PM in Modifications

This would work really well with mega's (bigger size), if people are a little disoriented when working with tiny things, or they're just clumsy in general. Also, for anybody who airsofts, you could make a shotgun/sabot round by having a thin slice of FBR infront of a bunch of plastic bb's, and the a FBR sabot behind it. Just an idea I thought I would toss in.

I was thinking the airsoft thing earlier, that would probably work.

I tried the sabot in my modded BBB. The barrel is a crayola and way to small, but if i used a pencil as a ramrod, I got the sabot and the shot to fit, and shot it against the door.

Shot without sabot against door: made weak 'whumph' sound as bbs hit door

Shot with sabot against door: Made painfully loud cracking sound (I think I dented my door)

I'm kind of worried about my door, but the sabot did its job. I haven't made any more or tried paper shells, the paper may make it too big for the barrel. I think I should research pvc shell systems, like in Boltsniper's FAR, those clips should work if I can figure out how to make the loading system out of balsa ^_^

.

The glue would be easy, but I have trouble with two parts of that:

1: I put markings on the shot to show which sides line up (reason I'm looking into clips)

2: I used up all the hot glue screwing around with old darts, I thought I had a huge reserve pack

EDIT: As follows:

I was looking at Boltsniper's SCAR, which is incredible, but without ever seeing the shell sealing mechanism, a sudden understanding of it came over me, that if I make the barrel out of the same sized pvc as the shell (that should be assumed) then I can use a PVC pipe attachment piece, and have the bolt slide it over the shell.

I think I understood this when I found a pic of the SCAR assembled, with a glimpse of the inside chamber. I'll make a picture of how I think it works, tell me if this is right, or if there's a better way.

I have no machining skills, no machines to improve skills, and no understanding of how people carve custom plastic with what looks like Sketchup (Boltsnipers writup had a sketchup looking CAD drawing)

#100975 Concept Dart

Posted by Jergling on 10 March 2007 - 09:21 AM in Modifications

Sabots, I just read something about those on howstuffworks, perfect.

I haven't tried loading multiple rounds per barrel, but that would be awsome.

Hmmm, magstrike-shotgun combo. Have to ask my bro's permission to use his. That would be murder to anyone, 8 darts per barrel, times 20 barrels, I'd be firing 160 sprayfire shots in around 3 seconds! I have to try that, And that's only with 2 shells per barrel.

I'll try to make paper shells. How should I keep them organized, I just thought about that last night. Still, airsofters and paintballers don't go back for their spent ammo, why should a nerfer have to. (Unless it's inside, then it really becomes a problem with dogs)

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