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And I'm kidding.
Here's my experience with this forum: it's like the early stages of a relationship, when you're still trying to figure out the other person, and mainly get them in bed. You don't want to say anything that will anger the other person, not because you don't want to upset them, but because then you won't get laid.
I remember my first post, back in the day... oh wait, it wasn't that long ago. The point is that I was overly-worried about pakeeeving people off. I always like to enter into relationships standing tall with open arms, but entering this one was more like a crawl with my fists protecting my face.
In the end, did it work? Well, we're still in the shower... up for a threesome?
About other forums in comparison to this one... Has anyone here ever been to a website where the navigation bar is on the RIGHT (the direction) side of the screen as opposed to the left? When that happens to me (whether it be because of a different language or whatever), I still stare at the left side of the page for a second, wondering what to do. Most of us are so used to a left-side nav bar because that's the way it's usually done. I think this idea can be equated to some of the new-folk practices, like reviving old topics. Maybe they walk into rooms a week later and finish off concluded conversations!
Just imagine that. It would be hilarious to see someone actually walk into a room, a few weeks later, and pick up where the conversation stopped.
I'd say the CoC is pretty ironclad and clear. Maybe rather than flame, a pm would do the trick. If they still didn't comply, then ban. And of course, the pm would have to be sent by a mod, and only by a mod.
I understand what you're saying about the forum being clogged with ideas with little results. My only complaint, is that I think there may be some valid ideas in this, so I don't think they should be destroyed. Maybe there should just be a different section for talk like this. Something like an "Idle Speculation/Theoretical Nonsense" channel or something. Somewhere where people can just throw an idea out there, regardless of how non-nerf it is... I know there's the unrelated channel, but my experience with it has been that people talk about completely non-nerf things.
By the way, I should have been more clear. I wasn't really talking about you when I made the bottom line comment. I was more talking about how easily people get angry on forums (not just these), and my questions about why that happens.
After reading where this topic turned after a few days, I wanted to say something. So here goes. What follows is my opinion.
Nerf is Nerf. Part of the reason that I believe this community to be so strong is the ingenuity and constant influx of ideas. I understand that this topic might not "Be Nerf", but it still allows people to flex their brain, and that flex might be the next great idea for nerf. So I don't think there is any reason to quelch this topic, provided that it doesn't become human torch-esque. But I suppose it is.
Yeah, the homemades section is for things that people have built, but it's also for discussing ideas, concepts, and general thoughts. This IS a forum, the main medium is the written word combined with input from the masses.
Bottom line: why do people get so angry? Are people's lives that devoid that these forums are the only control they can exert over others to fulfill their own desires? "I'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect harmony...."
What the freak. I don't mean to be confrontational, rather I just wanted to let those things out.
Oh, and Falcon, that balloon idea of mine was for the balloon to be inside of the missile, so there would not be any drag, other than the rocket itself. I was later told by a friend (since I've never seen a titan missile) that it probably wouldn't work since I was thinking of the launching system as a larger version of the old Bow and Arrow, and apparently the titan system is much different. Oh well.
Not everybody is in a place where they can build something, so speculation may be their only option. Like me. I'm in my apartment. I don't build things here. Oh darn.
Then you could just tie the other end of the string to the launcher, and maybe when you shot the missile, the string would unravel.
But... it seems to me, that at this point, if you want a rocket to go farther than it does... you should just build an air cannon and make a special projectile that has a ton of foam padding. The projectiles from here:
Those might give some inspiration. But NEVER shoot those at someone... but maybe some ideas can be gleaned.
If I were making a foam missile, I'd probably just use 1/2 CPVC as a stem, wrap FBR around it, then buy some foam from a craft store (or head to the UPS store for packing foam) and shape it into a "head" (this would need to be as wide as the fins). Then, make the fins out of some plastic material (like the binder on the web site above), wrap the leading edges of the fins in bubble wrap or something, then fire that baby out of a 2" PVC barrel.
But... isn't that not nerf? Is it necessary to shoot a huge projectile at someone from 200 yards away?
Right now, I'm thinking your thoughts exactly: clunky. Maybe I can find some sort of a mix between one of those full-size pumps you stand on, and a bike pump. You know, kind of meet halfway. Either that, or make it so I can more easily remove the air tank and replace it with a smaller one. That way, I can have a nerf gun, and a... whatever gun.
Otherwise, there's always trying to decrease the capacity of the tank, but I haven't been able to think of anything that would stay stationary in there... any ideas?
But I did find "Webby Darts" which look like they might have some potential for my gun. Obviously, I can't actually test this until winter break... since like I said, the gun is two hours away.
Thanks for the suggestion though!
I know it's hard to tell from the photos, but when you hold it, it feels just like a rifle... which means you can look right down the barrel, without any elevation change or anything. So basically, the only limitations are the stefan and the pressure (since it does take around 5-10 pumps to prime). When I get home for Christmas, I'm thinking of revamping it and putting in a cpvc barrel to try and shoot micros... eventhough it probably benefits from the added weight of the megas. However, my micros tend to fit better in cpvc than my megas do in 1/2" pvc. So we'll see.
I don't think this thing needs a write-up, but if anybody wants one, I'd be more than happy to comply. Honestly though, it took me a few hours to put together, once I had everything figured out (as it usually is with air cannons as well!).
With a nerf gun, the plastic is usually pretty weak, where as with PVC you don't really need to worry about that.
I originally intended it to be a nerf rifle that would also have the power (if needed) to shoot "other" projectiles, and that would bear slight size reference to my Daisy 1848 Carbine BB gun. The end result is a gun that shoots nerf ridiculously well, but has slow ROF. Oh well. Did I mention it launches drumsticks?
Sorry the pictures don't show more, I had a family member take them (the gun is at my house, I am at my apartment 2 hours away) and I was lucky to get even these!
Anywho, the gun is basically a really small air cannon, using a blowgun as the trigger. The pump right now is just dangling off of where it connects to the tank, hence the term "unfinished". I just haven't found a good place for it yet.
The cannon takes about 10 pumps to get to 20psi or so, which is more than enough to nearly kill a mega stefan (or at least whatever the stefan hits). I haven't range tested it with exact measurments, but I can say this: it shoots from the edge of my backyard, across a neighbor's yard, and on average lands on the far edge of the NEXT neighbor's yard. All-in-all, about 100-120 ft, maybe more. I've found that the gun at 10 pumps is a little too powerful, and that sometimes the dart flounders in the air (which can also be attributed to poor quality stefans).
Anywho, the main point of making this gun was for accurate, and it serves that purpose. It's also easy to fire.
The pictures don't show it but I did have a breech consisting of a half-circle of PVC dremeled out of the barrel, covered with a sliding sealer thing. One of these days, I'll try one of those clip mods.
I'm also trying to get my brother to take a picture of it with him holding it, so you can see how well it fits in the hand. The blowgun looks awkward, but it's at the perfect place for your pointer finger to grab it.
And the pics: like I said, a family member took these... also, combine images 1-3 for an idea of the whole thing. It's rather compact, measuring about 2 1/2 feet or so...
The butt/tank of the gun, notice the air input hose tapped into the PVC. Also, there is a pressure gauge that is tapped into the top of the tank that is non-visible from this picture. It is directly in-line with the barrel, and does not interfere at all with either holding or sighting.
The trigger and valve, notice the red ball pump that is "hanging" near the top of the pic.
The barrel, which is 1/2 SCH 40 PVC. This particular barrel is used to shoot drumsticks for a prototype drum accessory I'm developing. Notice also the large white tablet that has the label of "French Hovercraft Plans"... Someday I will build it, I swear!
"Close-Up" of the trigger and valve. Notice the grey epoxy in the solinoid hole, and that I had to cut the blowgun down to allow it to fit. It originally had about and inch more on the output end. You can also see the ball pump more clearly here.
So, I believe this gun proves that you CAN use a sprinkler setup for a nerf gun. Also, the original intent was to make this thing prime with one or two pumps. I goofed by making the air chamber too large. I could fix this in a number of ways. If I would have made it smaller, it would prime in one or two pumps (while the output would have gone from high pressure high volume to high pressure low volume, which is what a nerf gun is). I suppose I could also find some super super high volume pump or something...
Anywho, enjoy, and if you have any questions, ask!
Also, Grinch e-mailed me back, and said that as long as I were to write the html and such, he'd put it up.
I'm going to first focus on the directory specific to NH, then go from there. It's going to be awhile!
The only reason I've tried using solinoids and such for nerf is because I hate building custom parts, and thus far, I haven't found an easily adaptable valve that can be used for a variety of applications (with the exception of the at2k). The at2k valve is still unwieldy though...
Lately, I've been trying to pack as much power into the smallest possible shell.... to no avail.
I'm REALLY interested in your results... and how you made that 1" homemade valve... do you have any pictures?
I suppose that either way, I should contact Grinch and see what he thinks.
Did I understand your idea correctly?
What's wrong with that being hosted on NHQ?
Sometimes people get down on that site, I was just trying to avoid any reaction of that sort.
That's awesome that you're working on a full-fledged website, but that's exactly what I am trying to alleviate with this idea. There is so much content on this site already, why not just organize it? Or is that what you plan on doing? Because if you are, how do you rectify the bajillion nf mods out there? My idea is just to list them, and let the modder decide, rather than passing judgment myself.
Sorry if this sounds confrontational, because I'm not trying to be; I'm just wondering!
Last summer I built a "nerf" gun using PVC and a blow-gun-modded sprinkler valve. It's only half done... but it does shoot 1/2" stefans with ridiculous accuracy. But it takes about 5 pumps of a bike pump to get there. Everyone is going to hate me for this... but it's basically an s-rifle without the niper.
It's at my house in a-town, but I'll see if I can get my brother to take some pics or something.
Anyway, the point of all this is to say that: ball valves = slow and innaccurate due to the amount of force required to open it (your whole arm must move), where as sprinkler valves = awesome fastness, but nearly impractical for nerf due to size.
If I had made my air chamber smaller, then this gun would have kicked awesome bootang... but I didn't, and now it kicks bootang, but not nerf. Only larger things. Like marbles.
And Mr. bowie, the piston valves... have you ever tried shrinking one without making a whole lot of custom parts? This isn't meant to be sarcastic or anything, I'm just wondering. So far, I've had troubles, both due to size AND the "seal-off" pressure crutial to getting the thing to close.
Ok. I'll try and get pics up at some point...
So, do people like this idea? Right now it seems kind of luke-warm... If somebody wants me to, I will, if they don't (for any reason OTHER than that they don't want to be like HQ), I won't.
Just let me know folks!
P.S. nerfworld.com is an entire site dedicated to what your talking about.
I just looked up nerfworld.com, and it appears to be down right now... But I understand what you're saying. The difference here is that these mods will all be just ordinary posts/write-ups, not a full web page dedicated to mods.
Thats a neat idea.
But, if your just going to basically make a mods directory...
Its been done before.
I agree... When I originally posted this, I hadn't seen HQ for a while. But like Dux said, we need one for here.
The only negative I can see about compiling a mods list is that really n00bish people won't look at it unless something is done to make the list really obvious. A reference in the COC perhaps, or maybe a link on the forum sub menu.
Definitely. But I pose this to you as well... The second post in a topic started by a newer member is usually about reading the CoC... Perhaps that can just be accompanied with a note/link to the directory.
Oh yeah! I realized this idea might displace/replace this pin: Pinned. Oh well?
And for categories, I assumed they would just be names of the guns... for example:
1) Link to some brass barreled nf
2) Link to some uranium-powered nf...
3) Another link
1) Link to some awesome crossbow
2) Link to some crossbow that looks like a real gun...
3) Another link
And so on. The only problem I can see is with integrations. Either a separate category, or just put it in whatever gun's category the main gun goes in (so, an nf with one of those derringer things integrated into it would go in the nf category).
I've noticed that a lot of the posts are from first timers, asking about a mod for a specific gun and such, and that most users post some slightly angry message about Searching, and then someone usually posts a link.
So, what if there were either one huge pin or multiple pins for each gun that just had lists of links of all the write-ups people have posted? I've seen these types of consolidation posts on numerous other websites, and they really help me out, and I would imagine they would help anyone else out... especially if they're new to the site. We could even perhaps post stats on the mods, such as a "success" rating or ranges (if we could dig ourselves out of the BS)!
There have been numerous times I've searched for something, and I get a thousand threads, when all I want is to see the myriad ideas people are having.
You might be thinking, "What about the modifications page on this site?" And to that I say: those are very well done write-ups, but I think the cool thing about this site is how dynamic the forums are due to the collaboration of all the great minds we have here! Basically, it seems that the mods page, while it has great write-ups, does not display the full potential of the modding minds out there due to its static (as in not constantly updated) position...
Ok folks, just to make this clear: I'm not criticizing ANYTHING, just telling y'all about this idea I had while looking around. What do you think?
Oh... and I volunteer to make/maintain it if no one wants to do it but thinks it's a good idea.
***EDIT: Should this have been posted in the site feedback forum? Sorry if so...
For the sake of doing this, haven't any of you used a film canister to make a rocket? All you do is put some vineager into the film canister, dump in a little bit of baking soda, put the cap on, and place the canister upside-down on the concrete. It goes at least 20 ft in the air. A long time ago, some friends and I had a blast with this.
So yes, there is enough explosive force from the reaction to make foam fly.
I found that my local Farm and Fleet sells the perfect spring! No cutting!
The measurements of the spring were:
7/8 x 4 x .080 in.
They came two to a pack, and are definitely stronger than even the original nitefinder. The packaging was a plastic bag, with the top of the bag being colored yellow where the measurements were listed. While these new springs are more powerful, I found that they were not so much larger as to cause structural damage or preventing the cocking mechanism from functioning. Rock it!
I think it's going to take a lot of pumps to prime such a large airtank, and that the benefits from having a large airtank will be wasted on such a light projectile as a nerf dart. BUT, maybe it'll be this amazing loser machine (cue "no losers in nerf" flaming)!
2. Take shell of gun and cut on the yellow line where the vinly tubing goes to the pump.
The finished gun uses airsoft bb's. I've only tested it with .2s. It is more accurate than my springer Tanfoglio, which I also use .2s in. The barrel is approximately 20" long, which accounts for my better accuracy (the barrel is exactly 6mm; I would guess your 6.2 is the reason for your inaccuracy, since that is like an airsoft musket).
The point of this post was to demonstrate my idea of how to make the at2k smaller. So, any other questions regarding the airsoft gun should be pms or e-mails, since I don't want to offend the nerf gods. Not that I wouldn't love to talk about this gun, but I don't want to do it here.
LMA, there aren't any couplers used here, only cpvc, pex tube, vinyl tube, pvc, and a lot of sanding.
And one last thing... the quote....
Osiris, isn't that exactly what I did? If not, please clarify for me. Oh, and YES! I KNOW THERE IS NOT HOP-UP ON THIS GUN. Its kind of hard to understand your sentences sometimes... and I don't mean for that to be offensive (or any of that).
I think the mav is better stock, with the pegs removed so that it can shoot stefans. It is just so difficult to get a good plunger/turret seal, that it almost isn't worth it. I tried the cpvc mod, and my brother's stock shoots farther.
You found out about a CPVC coupler fitting in PVC conjoiners didn't you?
Which part of this are you talking about, the finished rifle, or the unfinished, tiny at2k? If you're talking about the barrel of the airsoft dealie, then no, I didn't use couplers (nor did I use any of the whole gun). It's a series of smaller and smaller tubing/pipes. If you really want to know what they are, I can take some pics and make some measurements. I also used a long (probably around 3') strip of bicycle intertube to act as a spacer/seal. You twist it around the smaller pipe/tube like a candy cane as you twist it into the larger pipe. Seals perfectly everytime. I can post more details about that as well. Actually, if you want more details about the airsoft dealie, maybe you should stick to pms; I don't want to violate the CoC by talking too much about airsoft in a nerf forum.
I didn't use a bic pen or anything, because like Suave said, the pin is right up against the trigger. If I were to make this into a real nerf gun, I would deninitely put the airtank as far back as possible in order the make the gun as compact as possible.
Thanks for the complements guys!
My goal was to make a high-performance airsoft loser rifle, and I succeded. But obviously, this is a nerf forum. So, here's where this post brings its relevancy.
I used an at2k to power this thing, and tried to make it as small as possible by removing most of the Spaceman Spiff aspect of the gun. I love Spaceman Spiff, but hey, I'll make a death blaster later.
I basically sawed straight across the shell of the gun. Then, I took apart the liquid cylinder, drained the goo, and sawed off the cylinder. Then I filled the resulting hole with goop, let it dry, and put it back together. I'm pretty sure that the goop part is completely unnecessary, as the cylinder appears to be completle sealed off by the rubber diaphram (which is very important to put back!). I also cut off the circular fixture at the back of the gun that held the clear dark plasic cylinder. At the time of taking the pics, I was going to use it as some sort of site.
After the sawing of the shell was complete, I had to affix the tank. This was done by hot glueing a small sliver of 3/4 PVC approximately an inch long directly to the pump shaft, then hot gluing the airtank in front of the PVC sliver. Then I put some e-tape around there for security (not shown in the pictures).
NOTE: Prior to this, I had unscrewed the part where the tube connects to the liquid cylinder, and screwed it back on, resulting in it being cock-eyed like in the picture.
If I was just trying to make a small nerf pistol, I would have then stuck a 7" piece of 1/2" cpvc on the valve to make a barrel, and put something between the barrel and the body to act as a space (perhaps a ramrod hoilder, then e-taped the bageedin'
geesus out of the gun, perhaps adding some sort of covering to the back to protect the air components. And then I would have had probably the most power per square inch ratio of any nerf gun.
But I didn't. I made an airsoft rifle, that shoots faster, farther, and more accurately than my Tanfoglio. Sure, not too impressive, but I did make it myself, and it doubles as a shotgun! Woo!
I just need a name. Suggestions? I do plan on adding a covering to the back later, but would greatly appreciate any suggestions on how to do that (I'm thinking balsa wood). Hope no one gets offended by the airsoft plug, but it really was my main goal, and I figured any contribution to covert-nerf-ops would be appreciated. And please don't berate me too roughly if this has been done before.
Well.. then I guess it didn't work very well, did it?
It snaped in-half during the war. Lol
[Not meant to be offensive!]
Gun in half is a similar problem I am encountering while making my own homemade.
And I sure hope this clip deal turns out to be amazing, because it LOOKS amazing!
Otherwise, just saw off the front of the pump tube, taking care not to saw through the actual pump shaft. Then pop some hot glue on the end of the pump shaft... And glue everything back up.
There are also barrel swap mods, and expansion mods as well, if you'd search.